ProDave
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250851794736
I wonder how long that rent free mooring is available for. For ever?
I wonder how long that rent free mooring is available for. For ever?
Yacht on ebay with RENT FREE mooring
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Seajet
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She looks a nicely looked after example of a Seawych, if the reserve isn't silly she should sell quickly I'd guess.
Especially with a little exposure here !
Especially with a little exposure here !
NickRobinson
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I had my Seawych, Keyn Vor at Barrow after six months at Haslar.
therefore I went from one price extreme to the other-
Barrow moorings are free and unregulated, allegedly and apocryphally due to a Mr Hitler who destroyed the records a while back....
You walk out with a shovel and plant your own, hopefully not upsetting anyone.
Nick
(BTW, Keyn Vor is Cornish for Ocean.)
therefore I went from one price extreme to the other-
Barrow moorings are free and unregulated, allegedly and apocryphally due to a Mr Hitler who destroyed the records a while back....
You walk out with a shovel and plant your own, hopefully not upsetting anyone.
Nick
(BTW, Keyn Vor is Cornish for Ocean.)
Cymrogwyllt
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Thanks. Will keep an eye. I'm tempted to go to the dark side and if the price is right...
NickRobinson
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the location in the pics seems to be Walney Island. North of the bridge.
I was at Roa Island, I placed two moorings. One made from a section of a nuke sub pressure hull.
Really good boat club (RIBC)
Nick
I was at Roa Island, I placed two moorings. One made from a section of a nuke sub pressure hull.
Really good boat club (RIBC)
Nick
exfinnsailor
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NickRobinson
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Easy to find in the DARK Then
Better than Porridge Oats!
There was a ('Coast'?) programme from the Barrow Trident build where the hull was described as top secret but guys at RIBC got hold of 2" thick buttons about 45cm dia where pipe flange access holes had been cut out......
With an eye welded on, much better than my Mk1 button, a Peugeot 405 wheel rim...
And anyway, Nucular power is PERFECTLY SAFE!!!!!! (as they convincingly whisper in the Windscale, sorry, Selafield visitor centre
Seajet
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With respect, fancy steel or not that sounds a bit light for a mooring.
At our club in a mostly sheltered half tide part of Chichester Harbour, hard earned experience ( boats dragging moorings ) has led us to evolve over the years, currently the sinkers are concrete 1 metre dia, 40cm thick, lowered into holes dug in about 2' down in mud ( largely so the boat doesn't settle on the eye ), then about 20' 'destroyer chain' before a swivel & lighter chain riser.
This is now standard for all the boats, from 17 -32'.
One snag which struck me about that Seawych's 'free' mooring is if there's no regulation, there may be a temptation not to maintain it often, anyone taking it on should have a really good look before trusting it.
At our club in a mostly sheltered half tide part of Chichester Harbour, hard earned experience ( boats dragging moorings ) has led us to evolve over the years, currently the sinkers are concrete 1 metre dia, 40cm thick, lowered into holes dug in about 2' down in mud ( largely so the boat doesn't settle on the eye ), then about 20' 'destroyer chain' before a swivel & lighter chain riser.
This is now standard for all the boats, from 17 -32'.
One snag which struck me about that Seawych's 'free' mooring is if there's no regulation, there may be a temptation not to maintain it often, anyone taking it on should have a really good look before trusting it.
William_H
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No mooring can be trusted unless you know its history and still it needs inspection. I would see the free mooring as just a free piece of real estate in the water. The hardware is very temporary. olewill
NickRobinson
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I agree in part
I agree that there are positives to regulation as well as the costs and rules. Many years ago in Hartlepool, pre Marina, a friend moved a small boat to an area where others thought he had no right to be and the boat was simply cut loose and was wrecked. No regulation, no redress.
As to the size of the buttons, I too was surprised but, as frequently repeated here, took advice and followed local practice. I am sure bigger lumps were used for large boats. Between Roa and Foulney there is firm mud. two feet then shingle. Suction rather than mass.
With a 8+m tidal range it is realistic to dig down and check tackle at LW. Not to say that there weren't masses of derelict rotting mooring gear lying about that you wouldn't tie a Jack Russell to!
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=foulney+island&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl
The OP boat is at North Scale, I think, mine was above the second 'a' in 'Roa Island'
Nick
I agree that there are positives to regulation as well as the costs and rules. Many years ago in Hartlepool, pre Marina, a friend moved a small boat to an area where others thought he had no right to be and the boat was simply cut loose and was wrecked. No regulation, no redress.
As to the size of the buttons, I too was surprised but, as frequently repeated here, took advice and followed local practice. I am sure bigger lumps were used for large boats. Between Roa and Foulney there is firm mud. two feet then shingle. Suction rather than mass.
With a 8+m tidal range it is realistic to dig down and check tackle at LW. Not to say that there weren't masses of derelict rotting mooring gear lying about that you wouldn't tie a Jack Russell to!
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=foulney+island&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl
The OP boat is at North Scale, I think, mine was above the second 'a' in 'Roa Island'
Nick
oldharry
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Better get on with it quick then, thats about to become illegal under MCA2009. 'Deposits on the seabed' - in future moorings can only be laid under the auspices of Trinity House or a Harbour Authority. Private moorings would have to be licenced and approved, and MMO says that is likely to be a lengthy and probably expensive process. MMO has the power to remove 'illegal' (i.e. unregistered) new moorings. Total PITA and yet another of our 'rights' being eroded in the interests of 'conservation'.
VicMallows
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I seem to recall that during the big storms of 87-89 it was these sinker moorings which were dragged ashore by their boats at Emsworth pool. Boats on the ground-chains remained secure provided that their top chains held.
Vic
Seajet
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In the October 87 hurricane we ( next along W from Emsworth ) had I think 11 boats on the beach, but none were on these type moorings; one which was, and stayed put, was my Dad's Centaur, which was recently laid with new heavy chain.
Sadly she was still damaged as other boats going past hit her; some boats going ashore broke chains, some with small sinkers dragged the lot.
Ground chains may be alright, or may lead to a domino effect !
Touchwood, we've not had any boats look like wandering since the new sinkers were introduced, and it's a touch more exposed than Emsworth, so chains - particularly swivels - are the weak part now.
Then again in the October 87 blow the laws of physics went out of the window, with the things on view...my boat was very luckily at Mill Rythe behind a high bank, but the deck floodlight light bulb halfway up the mast was blown away as if it had been hit with a hammer !
Sadly she was still damaged as other boats going past hit her; some boats going ashore broke chains, some with small sinkers dragged the lot.
Ground chains may be alright, or may lead to a domino effect !
Touchwood, we've not had any boats look like wandering since the new sinkers were introduced, and it's a touch more exposed than Emsworth, so chains - particularly swivels - are the weak part now.
Then again in the October 87 blow the laws of physics went out of the window, with the things on view...my boat was very luckily at Mill Rythe behind a high bank, but the deck floodlight light bulb halfway up the mast was blown away as if it had been hit with a hammer !
barrow_matt
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Nick is right, up here moorings are wherever you can find a space and drop one. Most of the bottom is soft mud so concrete sinkers will sink themselves a good few feet down.
Whilst it is free-for-all it is also self policed and if you decide to squeeze in too close next to another boat it's not unheard of that you may return to find your mooring cut! The typical rule of thumb is 25 yards all round space.
Maintenance is your own responsibility but there are people at all the clubs who will provide inspection/test/re-laying services. The frustrating thing is the number of seemingly abandoned moorings taking up space and you have no way to determine who the owner is to get the space. The 'going rate' for an existing drying mooring is £100-200.
I'm a new member at Roa Island, great club and location. It sounds like this mooring is in the channel which is a bit less convenient as you are generally restricted to a couple of hours either side of high tide to get in and out.
Whilst it is free-for-all it is also self policed and if you decide to squeeze in too close next to another boat it's not unheard of that you may return to find your mooring cut! The typical rule of thumb is 25 yards all round space.
Maintenance is your own responsibility but there are people at all the clubs who will provide inspection/test/re-laying services. The frustrating thing is the number of seemingly abandoned moorings taking up space and you have no way to determine who the owner is to get the space. The 'going rate' for an existing drying mooring is £100-200.
I'm a new member at Roa Island, great club and location. It sounds like this mooring is in the channel which is a bit less convenient as you are generally restricted to a couple of hours either side of high tide to get in and out.
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VicMallows
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Just out of interest, is that a one-off payment to buy an existing mooring.....or the typical rate per year you would pay the owner? (either way a pretty good deal .... though not complaining at the £380/year I pay for a fully maintained drying mooring in the Solent).
Vic
barrow_matt
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That's a one off payment to the owner, then your the owner. There are no formalities so it's just a private sale and like I say maintenance and upkeep is your own responsibility.
They are in the process of building a marina, i'm not sure when it is due to open (will be a few years I expect) so that will be interesting to see where they pitch their prices.
The rich folk tend to have their boats moored on Coniston or Windemere in the Lake District which is from £400 onwards per year.
robinsoncrusoe
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I just missed a 10Tonne mooring in Swanage on e bay - I bid £510 and forgot to check near the end, was prepared to go to £1020 but it finished at £626.
It had a new £300 riser and I have relatives in area who would have checked it with theirs every 2 years.
£60 to crown every year.
not sure if it was a good deal but I would have been happy with that although I notice some insurance companies wont insure boats left in Swanage amonst other places.
have put feelers out for another so maybe it will turn out ok in the end
It had a new £300 riser and I have relatives in area who would have checked it with theirs every 2 years.
£60 to crown every year.
not sure if it was a good deal but I would have been happy with that although I notice some insurance companies wont insure boats left in Swanage amonst other places.
have put feelers out for another so maybe it will turn out ok in the end
Lakesailor
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Yus,
It's next to the slip. (no 25yard scope there, mind you)
Turn to the left (trolley and grey dinghy still in the pic) and you see the slip where the boat club meet.
Boat Club? The blokes who have been doing up this old cruiser for at least 8 years.
"Just going down to the boat, dear"
planteater
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With the Trident shed in the background.
tyce
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In reply to the OP, yep its rent free and i would suspect that it will remain that way forever, my boat is here and has been along time, as long as you find a place with swinging room that wont hit any of the other boats then all are welcome.
Great place to keep a boat.
Great place to keep a boat.