yacht delivery, coding, commercial, pleasure?

[Fascadale]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing

I have spent a bleak and snowy weekend working through the MCA/RYA "Professional Practices and Responsibilities" course and now I'm confused.

Is a yacht on a "delivery voyage" a pleasure or commercial vessel?

The code (SCV MGN 280) defines pleasure vessels in terms of use for sport and pleasure, owner and immediate family, a free voyage or excursion.

I understand that any vessel not a pleasure vessel is a commercial and as such should be coded etc (apart from police boats, warships, fishing boats etc)

So where do yachts on delivery fit in? Usually no coding, but usually with a paid crew, often of two or more.

As I said, A little knowledge..........

I'm sure I have missed something really obvious, doh

 

[Resolution]

I think the answer lies in the Act's definition of a pleasure vessel, which includes the proviso:
"(c) in the case of any vessel referred to in paragraphs (a) or (b) above no other payments are made by or on behalf of users of the vessel, other than by the owner".

In the case of a private yacht on a delivery trip, the payments are being made by the owner to the delivery crew, not the other way round.
However if the owner was being paid by the crew, over and above direct operating expenses, for the use of the yacht to go from A to B, then that would be a charter, commercial use and the yacht should be coded.

 

[GrahamM376]

Unless things have changed since I had a commercial endorsement - If you are being paid to skipper a vessel on a delivery trip as opposed to repaid expenses, then you are working commercially but the boat isn't.

If passengers or crew pay to be on board (except on a cost sharing basis, as for car sharing) then the vessel is commercial and needs coding.

 

[l'escargot]

You are delivering a pleasure vessel, it doesn't need to be coded. It is covered in one of the modules. Because there are paid crew, it doesn't mean there are paying passengers.

 

[alant]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing

I have spent a bleak and snowy weekend working through the MCA/RYA "Professional Practices and Responsibilities" course and now I'm confused.

Is a yacht on a "delivery voyage" a pleasure or commercial vessel?

The code (SCV MGN 280) defines pleasure vessels in terms of use for sport and pleasure, owner and immediate family, a free voyage or excursion.

I understand that any vessel not a pleasure vessel is a commercial and as such should be coded etc (apart from police boats, warships, fishing boats etc)

So where do yachts on delivery fit in? Usually no coding, but usually with a paid crew, often of two or more.

As I said, A little knowledge..........

I'm sure I have missed something really obvious, doh

If the delivery, is to or from a race, then MCA rules don't apply.

 

[Pete R]

If the delivery, is to or from a race, then MCA rules don't apply.

Not always true as has been discussed before.

 

[jerrytug]

If the delivery, is to or from a race, then MCA rules don't apply.

What's all that about,which rules,blue book coding? Could you explain please thanks Jerry

 

[Doug_Stormforce]

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Is a yacht on a "delivery voyage" a pleasure or commercial vessel?

The code (SCV MGN 280) defines pleasure vessels in terms of use for sport and pleasure, owner and immediate family, a free voyage or excursion.

I understand that any vessel not a pleasure vessel is a commercial and as such should be coded etc (apart from police boats, warships, fishing boats etc)

So where do yachts on delivery fit in? Usually no coding, but usually with a paid crew, often of two or more....

AS already said a delivery does not require the yacht to be coded if it is not being used commercially (i.e. there are no paying passengers on board). The fact the skipper is being paid is irrelevant.

If the delivery, is to or from a race, then MCA rules don't apply.

In terms of the OP this is a bit of a red herring as
A he has made no mention of going to or from a race and
B He does not need to be coed in this situation anyway,

What's all that about,which rules,blue book coding? Could you explain please thanks Jerry

The blue book allows a yacht that is racing exemption from the code as long as certain provisions are met (i.e. its a puka race and not just 2 mates organising an informal race in order to get round the law).

MGN280 however improves the situation by allowing vessels making their way directly to and from a race to be exempted from coding (again subject to certain provisions, such as the boat is ISAF compliant).