Wiggo 2, Moose 0

[Wiggo]

Wandered back into Hythe on Saturday afternoon to fins some poor sod with a 17-18 foot bowrider on its trailer, boadside to the end of the slipway with mud over the axles at LWS. They'd almost lost a 4x4 trying to get it out. Asked if they needed a rope, but they said they'd tried with a strap and failed, as the slipway was covered in weed. So I went and got a 40m length of 16mm doublebraid, so their 4x4 could stay on dry concrete, and we got the thing straightened up, but couldn't move it forward, as by now the mud was over the mudguards. Gave it one omre go and part of the jockey wheel sheared off under the load. Suggested they strap the thing down and wait for the tide. Once there enough water to take the weight off the trailer, it came out easily enough. Total recovery time: 2 hours.

Now, does anyone have any suggestions as to a) the appropriate knot to use in a warp that will come under a great deal of tension, or, b) how to get undo a 'figure of 8' made in a bight?

Went out Sunday and heard a securite from a yacht with engine failure in the path of something or other. Pottered down Southampton Water, till we spotted them - about 100m from the bows of the biggest oil tanker I've ever seen. Took a line from them and pulled them clear just as a pilot boat turned up and took them off somewhere.

Went to the Folly for lunch, and ran into Moose, who had heard it on the radio and was not impressed at being usurped as the 5th emergency service...

 

[tcm]

under monster tension i wd use a round turn and two half hitchhes as there are two thicknesses of line (ie full round turn) around the thingy wot you are pulling.

Undoing big knots - a hot knife thing works every time.

 

[Solitaire]

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Now, does anyone have any suggestions as to a) the appropriate knot to use in a warp that will come under a great deal of tension

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Bowline - can be used for any situation where knot will come under tension. ideal in any towing situation or for trailer recovery. Problem can occur if tension released to much that the knot can come undone - if in doubt put a couple of half hitches in it!

As to a undoing your figure of eight knot - I think you should just cut it off!!

 

[hlb]

A hammer, or hammer and screw driver will undo most knots.

 

[deborahann]

well your my hero !!

 

[mjf]

Bowline.

Easy to undo after too as you can kind-of break the back of the knot.

 

[mjf]

What happened on sat then at the Folly with the informal meet of this group.

Who was on parade?

 

[Wiggo]

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A hammer, or hammer and screw driver will undo most knots.

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That did it in the end, but it took an hour and a half...

 

[britemp]

On the vehicle recovery course I went on, we were told never to use knots for safety reasons - I use a 12ton polyprop rope looped at both ends with a couple of shackles for recovery. Course I realise you might not have one of them on yer boat, but if you want to go round playing the white night perhaps you could stock up! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

The KERR rope is the most fun however and the most likely to kill you! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

www.famousfour.co.uk/foursport/rope.html

 

[Wiggo]

Well, I'm glad to say that my eye splice held a treat under that load, even it was a [oh really!] to do. The other end needed attaching to the towbar, hence the knot.

And yes, I do remember the KERR. And yes, we did make sure everyone was well away from the rope, too.

 

[tcm]

hm, this is well above and beyond the call. But it's very good that you didn't tell him to oh really off and shove his not nice boat up his ah em.

 

[Wiggo]

[oh really!], some stupid [oh really!]'s turned the [oh really!] profanity filter on. What a [oh really!]!

 

[Roy]

a) the appropriate knot to use in a warp that will come under a great deal of tension


Tied on an angle, a timber hitch. At rt angles a clove hitch with a turn round standing part. When we were lifting cargo in my sea going days, we often slipped in a fid or piece of wood or nail under one of the turns which could be slipped out after load was off. Best of all is the old shackle and an eyesplice although we rarely have this at that exact moment do we?

 

[capnjack]

Yep......New Moon - Spring Tides - Hythe slip.

Great combination for non recovery at low water.

 

[Wiggo]

Not sure I understand either of those, Roy. I'm looking for a knot to put an eye in a length of rope so I could drop it over a towbar, but such that I could undo easily onve the load was off.

I though about using a bowline, but ended up with a figure of 8 for some reason. And then spent 1.5 hours with a hammer and screwdrivers breaking it apart.

Sorry if this seems a bit too 'PBO' for MoboChat. Just say the word, and I'll fetch my pipe and slippers and shuffle off...

 

[Lakesailor]

Last year I broke a rib whilst helping someone who had gone aground on rocks.
I'm more circumspect now. If it's life and limb I'm up for it, but if it's just possessions and pride I don't rush in.

 

[Roy]

Nah... you're ok. For a drop over loop - i.e. a towbar ball....... Make a bowline but use a fid or a screw driver/ spanner or something smallish and strong. When you form the bowline and before you pull it down tight, if you look at the layout of this knot, it is like a belt buckle or like an ' 8'. Push the fid or nail or whatever under the middle bit of the 'buckle' so that the outer loops support this object at either end. Pull it tight. That's it - won't slip or jam either. When finished with pulling boat and load is off, just pull out the pin/wood/fid etc and you have a loose bowline.
Very handy at certain times.

 

[Bergman]

I used to do the same thing when I went playing Land Rovers.

Made the mistake once of letting someone else put the rope on (I was stuck in a river at the time)

The clot looped the rope thro the shackle and put the loop of rope on the coupling.

When my mate did the "snatch" the rope compressed through the coupling and the shackle flew straight through the back of his hard top (Neat D shaped hole), bent the support bracket for his rear seat and put a large dent in the side of his hard top.

The lay of the rope was imprinted on the rear door.

Lucky no-one was stood close.

 

[Solitaire]

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I though about using a bowline, but ended up with a figure of 8 for some reason.

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Then you didn't tie it properly /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Here is how to tie one! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Moose]

Pah, amateur!