Why the hell would anyone want to go to Spain

And for us poor students who can't afford magazines?? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
Havent read it but I bet its about Guardia swooping on liveaboards in Torrevieca (spelt wrong) or Torromelinos or somewhere like that? and hitting em with matriculation tax
 
Daily Mail reporter armed with a "Janet and John" book of tourist espanole doing a bit of freelancing again ?..........sigh.
 
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would love to know what the storys about ????? can anybody scan and post????

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In brief.
1. In Empuriabrava (where I am), people with canal residences with a mooring are now told the mooring is not their's and will now have to rent it back.

2. Liveaboards (people not boats who spend more than 183 days/yr in Spain) will have to pay 12% of their boat value each year. This is being applied in Valencia only, I believe, at the moment.

It's vastly complicated but I hope my brevity gives at least the picture.
 
Two stroies. The first is about a typical spanish land grab of foreign owend assets in Empuriabrava. Think that has been discussed previously.

Second story regards a local tax concerning the importation of transportation. 12 british boats have so far been impounded subject to the 12% tax being paid.

I thought the EU allowed free movement between states without punative taxes or charges applied.

Seems maybe that is the case, just so long as you arent a Brit.
 
People move to Spain because it is a great place to live. Try it you might like it, I did and I do.

Having not read the article but reading the posts it seems to be about the taxation, this law has been around for a long time but it hasnt been applied. Anyone who has ignored it has done so at risk. We all drive over the speed limit knowing that there is a risk of being caught it is the same.

If you live in a country then abide by the governing rules, dont bleat. If you dont like it then dont come or leave. Thats what I did with the UK and I havent regretted my decision for a moment
 
David in fairness I am not liveaboard I prefer bricks and mortar for that purpose but I am in the marine industry to clarify my position
 
So your interpretation is the EU wide rules of free movement for EU nationals doesnt have to apply if a state choses to ignor them.

The Spanish have been doing this sort of thing with land for years, I guess its no big suprise they have started to focus on other high value assets.

I can see the appeal of Sapin in that its warm, but there are plenty of other places that offer that without the Spanish 'grab what you can'mentality.
 
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David in fairness I am not liveaboard I prefer bricks and mortar for that purpose but I am in the marine industry to clarify my position

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Sorry Lozzer, I had included you as a valued opion as someone "on the ground" and it looked from the grammer in my thread that I had put you in the liveaboard camp.
 
Wait until the UK start grabbing to pay for the S**t the country is in. Oops sorry I forgot the Big Gordon has already been dipping into your pockets and will continue to do so for a considerable time yet.

Another great thing about Spain is that it isnt too far from family if you are from the UK.
 
Why the hell would anyone want to go to Spain
........because of this:

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This is a webcam pic today of Empuriabrava (by shear chance showing my boat) what's it like out of your window?
 
It's not a local tax. In fact, it applies across Spain. Valencia's local government has so far chosen to be a bit more zealous in the tax's implementation than other authorities, but after speaking to a Spanish marine tax expert, I understand that other areas are starting to get a sniff of this. For cash-strapped local governments it must seem an easy way to drum up some cash.

The 183-day rule is not restricted to Spain. Other EU countries use this as a benchmark for foreigners falling into local tax systems. It gets confusing because of its seemingly random implementation.
 
Free movement I believe is allowed. The problem comes when you stay over 183 days in any one year. They then say that for tax reasons you are a resident and have to, for instance re reg your car and pay spanish tax on it.

They are applying this also to boats. Liveaboard or on land same applies.

The 12% matriculation by the way is a one off tax not yearly.

www.spainvia.com/boats.htm check out "compulsory spanish boat registration"
 
In fairness it is tipping down in Marbella. But it does mean we will have a fresh dump of snow on Sierra Nevada.
 
I did read that many of the owners are claiming they can prove that they have not been in Spain for more than 182 days (flights in and out, bills ect etc), but because the boat is permanently moored there the valencia Gov. are claiming that the imposition of the tax is lawful anyway.
 
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what's it like out of your window?

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Beautiful, I am tucked up in my favourite comfy chair by an open fire with my laptop on WiFi.

Plus no-one is trying to steal my land, my house, my boat or my car.
 
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