Why port holes 2nd try

[itsonlymoney]

My 11yr old asked me "why is there port holes but not starboard holes"
Do you know cos I don't.
Ian

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[Roy]

Port holes
The word "port hole" originated during the reign of Henry VI of England (1485). King Henry insisted on mounting guns too large for his ship and the traditional methods of securing these weapons on the forecastle and aftcastle could not be used.
A French shipbuilder named James Baker was commissioned to solve the problem. He put small doors in the side of the ship and mounted the cannon inside the ship. These doors protected the cannon from weather and were opened when the cannon were to be used. The French word for "door" is "porte" which was later Anglicized to "port" and later went on to mean any opening in the ship's side, whether for cannon or not.

Cheers. Roy

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[DavidBunn]

I`ll buy it.......Excellent explanation.

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[tcm]

Re: BLUFF

ah, but henry IV was not king in 1485, as he (Bolingbroke) was dead by 1413, then Henry V of Agincourt fame who died early 1422 robbing England of ownership of France which had been promised after Agincourt, follwed by the baby king henry VI till 1461.

1485 must be either Richard III (before battle of Bosworth Field) or (more likley) Henry VII (Henry Tudor). I bet H7, since unlikely there was this much battle gear during H IV's reign.

Well, actually i bet a bit later, more like Henry VIII far more of a nutter with more overseas battle hence more need for big guns,

Either way, this is top pedantry from me, OR high quality bullshit from Roy

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[Lilteenskiperjo]

Re: BLUFF

oh dear ive got a headche from reading that, luckly i didnt take History for my GCSE's , thank god xxxx

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[Roy]

Re: BLUFF

Fact or Bluff??

Well TCM - Quite the scholar........ Well I did some checking - don't the whole world just hate a smartass?? I referred to Henry VI firstly but then I was maybe wrong - no I was right it seems, but you referred to Henry IV in fact. Henry VI was born at Windsor 6/12/1421 to Catherine of Valois (aged 18) and Henry England (aged 33) who were married in May 1420. Henry V was of course the famous warrior of Agincourt fame and died from the pox and gutrot after returning to England in 1421 never having seen his son who succeeded his daddyo and became King of England and France aged only 10 months.Twas this little chap that grew up and went on the nautical bender as did his genetic following. Bluff called. Cheers. Roy

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[tcm]

Henry\'s Number Riot

ok but if it was 1485, it wasn't henry VI nor Henry IV (I am sure it said Henry IV on yer post at the start...) so it must have been Henry number seven who invented port holes, mebbe?

Anyway, this is most defintely a very top class argument.

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[Roy]

Re: Henry\'s Number Riot

Hya TCM

I am not that smart actually - just lifted the stuff off a net site - ask jeeves - origins of tudors etc. Have a looksy and se for yourself. Good fun though and wow it is really interesting looking back in time. Cheers. Roy

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[burgundyben]

None of the above.

Port holes get their name from the hatches cut into the side of a vessel that were used for loading barrels of fortified wines in Portugal.

TCM can in fact verify this as he is well aware of the low level dockside found in said distant land that even to this day can result in unfortunate spillages of liquids whilst loading a vessel, in days of yore spillages of port onto the head of the stevedore earned them the tittle of "Tosspot" as in an attempt to toss pots of Port into their gullet, current times dictate its much more common in Portugal for flagons of diesel to be spilled on the head of a stevedore.

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[Roy]

Re: None of the above.

Exacterly 'The French word for "door" is "porte" which was later Anglicized to "port" and later went on to mean any opening in the ship's side, whether for cannon or not. '

Cheers. Roy


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[itsonlymoney]

Re: None of the above.

Roy
Many thanks that was an interesting history lesson. I shall now go and pass my newly found knowledge onto my daughter who I am sure will be equally impressed.
Regards - Ian

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[jfm]

How Henry V promoted Med boating

It should be noted how well behaved Henry V was. Battle of Agincourt was 1415 (the night of 24/25 October in fact) so victory was Henry's a day or so later. He then got to the top boss's (the Dauphin) gaffe and did the deal where he got Cath as his wife. But she was 13 so he waited 5 years to marry her. I have no idea if there was any pre-marital hanky panky but it would appear he was reasonably well behaved. This tardyness in closing the deal of course arguably cost England the ownership of defeated France. Personally I think that's a good thing because France's independence means I can buy very cheap diesel even after 2005

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[tcm]

Re: ah but

the deal was that h5 became king after the death of the then king of france - but H5 died before him, wife was bethrothed to hi9m staright after the battle- so as good as married in the rules of the day. When Henry5 died, H6 was only a baby, England weak, the french welched on the deal culminating in driving the english out of france in erm 1426, or er well, later anyway.

Anyway, I wd argue against the idea that H5 predeceasing the Dauphin was a good thing, and the continued weediness of france in worthwhile warmongering, their greed during the 1919 ww1 settlement lead indirectly to ww2, and then the EEC, high taxes, and much grief for non-taxaccountant types.



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[jfm]

Righto

Ah thanks for that clarification, all clear. Better close this thread up with our English dead , for in peace there's nothing so becomes a man as modest stillness and humilty but when the blast of war blows in our ears then stiffen the sinews conjure up the blood and imitate the actions of a tiger.....oh soddit forgotten it all now but you get the idea

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