Why are Bavarias so unloved??

[capnsensible]

I get to spend quite a bit of time on various Bavarias and really don't have a problem with them.

Some of the stuff fitted to them are a bit naff, like Lewmar bits, but thats British so its expected to be a tad shoddy.

Otherwise, I reckon you get good value. Was on a 42 all last week, handled nicely in harbour, sailed in winds of up to 30 odd knots, occaisional lumpy seas, no worries.

We sailed it alongside, onto moorings, did MOB under sail and engine in those stronger winds all with a furling main too (horror!). It didn't make the tea or scrub itself but I dunno what else you can expect from a boat?

Did it for me.

 

[lynne]

I get to spend quite a bit of time on various Bavarias and really don't have a problem with them.

Some of the stuff fitted to them are a bit naff, like Lewmar bits, but thats British so its expected to be a tad shoddy.

Otherwise, I reckon you get good value. Was on a 42 all last week, handled nicely in harbour, sailed in winds of up to 30 odd knots, occaisional lumpy seas, no worries.

We sailed it alongside, onto moorings, did MOB under sail and engine in those stronger winds all with a furling main too (horror!). It didn't make the tea or scrub itself but I dunno what else you can expect from a boat?

Did it for me.

And I bet the bilge was dry.


lynne

 

[V1701]

A lot of the Bav bashing seems to be about trying to establish positions in a pecking order and some individuals reinforcing for themselves their own choice of boat...

 

[Oliveoyl]

Maybe because they're cheap and easy? A certain kind of sailor derives immense pleasure from the never ending list of maintenance/repairs/upgrades. Others revel in the sporty part, changing sails every few minutes, in order to gain a fraction of a mile on the "competition". Others have an inborn aversion to anything German....
I speak from experience here, Popeye ticks all the boxes above. However, when it came to actually buying something which would suit us both, Bav was the only option in the price bracket.
And we are both well pleased.

PS I would rather have a Najad, but that's life

 

[MoodySabre]

At the boat show I compared the Hanse 320, the Bav 32 cruiser and the Legend 33. I know nothing about the sailing performance of these boats but on a purely fit out basis:

The Hanse was lots of plastic and dark wood - and the most dangerous sharp corners on the edges round the inside of the hatchway that would carry out brain surgery for anybody over 5'9".

The Bav interior was light and looked very cheap - not even IKEA standard.

The Legend was fitted nicely although the rubbish bin was bigger than the fridge

None had sensible grab handles for using the companionway at sea - just a handle at one side.

I wouldn't buy any of them.

 

[oldsaltoz]

I get to spend quite a bit of time on various Bavarias and really don't have a problem with them.

Some of the stuff fitted to them are a bit naff, like Lewmar bits, but thats British so its expected to be a tad shoddy.

Otherwise, I reckon you get good value. Was on a 42 all last week, handled nicely in harbour, sailed in winds of up to 30 odd knots, occaisional lumpy seas, no worries.

We sailed it alongside, onto moorings, did MOB under sail and engine in those stronger winds all with a furling main too (horror!). It didn't make the tea or scrub itself but I dunno what else you can expect from a boat?

Did it for me.

Another TROLL

BUMP

 

[sailorman]

At the boat show I compared the Hanse 320, the Bav 32 cruiser and the Legend 33. I know nothing about the sailing performance of these boats but on a purely fit out basis:

The Hanse was lots of plastic and dark wood - and the most dangerous sharp corners on the edges round the inside of the hatchway that would carry out brain surgery for anybody over 5'9".

The Bav interior was light and looked very cheap - not even IKEA standard.

The Legend was fitted nicely although the rubbish bin was bigger than the fridge

None had sensible grab handles for using the companionway at sea - just a handle at one side.

I wouldn't buy any of them.

i bet they all had nice
bedrooms
bathrooms
& kitchens

 

[Koeketiene]

i bet they all had nice
bedrooms
bathrooms
& kitchens

Snob

 

[capnsensible]

Hiya Oldsaltzo,

Sorry if it sounded like a fishing expedition, I was merely making a personal observation!!

I am not related and not German.

Cheers.

 

[capnsensible]

Maybe its the bottom slapping to music?

 

[fergie_mac66]

Bavarians

How could you love anything that wears lederhosen !

 

[Saguday]

Horses for courses - photodog has a nice one, enjoyed sailing in her and nicely built.

10 years old though, which is no doubt an opener for the auld whingers to kick off with "aarghh, they don't make 'em like they used to"...

 

[pandroid]

Was on a 42 all last week, handled nicely in harbour, sailed in winds of up to 30 odd knots, occaisional lumpy seas, no worries.

You should try doing it with the sails up...

 

[Fourbees]

My only experience of actually sailing a Bavaria was last Easter when we chartered a Bav 36 in Tenerife. She sailed pretty well, survived a F9 on the beam on the north side of La Gomera (with three reefs in the main) and reversed into Med-style berths a whole lot better than our twin-ruddered Feeling 32.

 

[Bav34]

By who?

The 2500 buyers a year (pre-recession)?

The owners on here?

Strange troll ... sorry ... question.

 

[PeterGibbs]

I get to spend quite a bit of time on various Bavarias and really don't have a problem with them.

Some of the stuff fitted to them are a bit naff, like Lewmar bits, but thats British so its expected to be a tad shoddy.

Otherwise, I reckon you get good value. Was on a 42 all last week, handled nicely in harbour, sailed in winds of up to 30 odd knots, occaisional lumpy seas, no worries.

We sailed it alongside, onto moorings, did MOB under sail and engine in those stronger winds all with a furling main too (horror!). It didn't make the tea or scrub itself but I dunno what else you can expect from a boat?

Did it for me.

To my mind, as a Bav owner, every Bav basher is a self-harmer. It is not reasonable to find Bavs wanting vs the Scandinavians when the latter cost twice as much.

None of the manufacturing quality or equipment criticisms are objective. I suspect that Bavs are now the largest fleet in Europe. So probabaly cover the most miles pa and carry the most crew. Are so many owners and operators loony or demented? QED

PWG

 

[reddragon44]

To my mind, as a Bav owner, every Bav basher is a self-harmer. It is not reasonable to find Bavs wanting vs the Scandinavians when the latter cost twice as much.

None of the manufacturing quality or equipment criticisms are objective. I suspect that Bavs are now the largest fleet in Europe. So probabaly cover the most miles pa and carry the most crew. Are so many owners and operators loony or demented? QED

PWG

I do not own one, but having sailed on a few of the larger versions I would not hesitate to buy one. I think they are the best value for money sailing yacht on the market

red

 

[TradewindSailor]

Bavarias had a problem with their keels a few years ago ......

As with all the modern cheap production yachts, they have bolt on keels that have an almost vertical leading edge and just a simple flange mount directly onto the hull, rather than having a stub moulding or an integral keel. They are also made of cast iron rather than lead (lead distorts on a heavy blow). The problem with this arrangement is that they are more vulnerable to grounding damage than a conventional fin or long keel with a well raked leading edge which allows the boat to drive up onto say a sand bar rather than come to a sudden stop. Just look around the marinas this winter and check for distortion in the hull at the back of the keel and for kinks in the shear line around the main bulkhead. AND yes most yachts end up hitting the bottom sometime ...... and it used not to be a problem!

However I am sure they give many people plenty of fun and space for few £. In a few years they'll be even cheaper as the secondhand market will be even more flooded with them. Unfortunately this causes the rest of the secondhand yacht values to go down with them....... I guess this is what causes most of the bad feelings.

I could go on ..... but most of you have heard it all before.

 

[padipaddy]

At the boat show I compared the Hanse 320, the Bav 32 cruiser and the Legend 33. I know nothing about the sailing performance of these boats but on a purely fit out basis:

The Hanse was lots of plastic and dark wood - and the most dangerous sharp corners on the edges round the inside of the hatchway that would carry out brain surgery for anybody over 5'9".

The Bav interior was light and looked very cheap - not even IKEA standard.

The Legend was fitted nicely although the rubbish bin was bigger than the fridge

None had sensible grab handles for using the companionway at sea - just a handle at one side.

I wouldn't buy any of them.

Leave Hanses' alone I just bought my first boat and its a hanse 341 stick to picking on bavs..

regards

Rab

ha ha ha

 

[photodog]

Leave Hanses' alone I just bought my first boat and its a hanse 341 stick to picking on bavs..

regards

Rab

ha ha ha

Yeah... we sure dont wanna be talking about Keels and Hanses... or Rudders and Hanses.....

341...Nice Boat... shame about all that wicker down below. One knockdown and those tins of tomato soup will be making big holes in the cupboard doors...