What's the point?

[fisherman]

I haven't been in my son's house since march, nor he in mine. Other granpa however, 72, retired farmer, was 'delivering some windows nearby' (wtf?) so called in, stayed in the garden but used the toilet inside, became ill and tested positive next day. Son is now off work for two weeks and the six and eight year old, gagging to go back to school, have to watch as the other kids pass the window going to the school down the road. Really quite angry.

 

[TernVI]

Chances are the old bloke didn't catch it from your son's household or v/v.
Nothing to be gained from blaming anyone.
I've been doing the avoidance thing too, it is a complete wind-up at times.
I have friends and relatives who draw the lines in different places to where I do.
It would be very easy to fall out over it.

Thousands of people have had it a lot worse and millions now face a winter of this in some godforsaken high rise or council estate 'up country'.

 

[penberth3]

I haven't been in my son's house since march, nor he in mine. Other granpa however, 72, retired farmer, was 'delivering some windows nearby' (wtf?) so called in, stayed in the garden but used the toilet inside, became ill and tested positive next day. Son is now off work for two weeks and the six and eight year old, gagging to go back to school, have to watch as the other kids pass the window going to the school down the road. Really quite angry.

I've noticed a lot of complacency from all ages. I'm still working to the original "stay at home" as much as possible, trying to keep 2m apart when I'm shopping. Definitely not going to a pub.

 

[fisherman]

Chances are the old bloke didn't catch it from your son's household or v/v.

No, he got it in the previous five days or so. Doesn't matter whether he brought it in, result the same, miserable kids and man off work. No symptoms. Now he's trying to remember his family and other contacts to bugger their lives up as well. All because the rules aka common sense don't count for some.

 

[TernVI]

The rules don't forbid meeting in the garden and going inside to use the loo.
A few visitors have done that at our house.
We provide hand sanitiser before they go inside and they use a guest loo that we don't use.
Other people use other sensible cleaning procedures.
The risk is not zero, but neither is it much more than Tesco.

Some people will catch CV through their own stupidity, some through random bad luck, many on a grey scale in between.
Our local NHS is still telling us that most of us will get it eventually.

 

[Tomahawk]

Other grandpa visited your son and then became ill the next day?

Grandpa was infectious before symptoms displayed..
Also not necessarily given it to son..

Son needs to take test ... that's what they are for.

 

[jordanbasset]

Other grandpa visited your son and then became ill the next day?

Grandpa was infectious before symptoms displayed..
Also not necessarily given it to son..

Son needs to take test ... that's what they are for.

Johnson and Hancock have recently said tests are for people displaying symptoms only, in fact they complained the reason there was a problem in getting tests was that people were getting them without symptoms

 

[fisherman]

Other grandpa visited your son and then became ill the next day?

Grandpa was infectious before symptoms displayed..
Also not necessarily given it to son..

Son needs to take test ... that's what they are for.

What he said: no sympoms no test. Also, nearest test is Plymouth, 70 jammed miles on a Saturday, which is when it came about.
My bro the Tory agrees with me, too much centralisation, and the military should be organising tests. We have a socking great Naval airbase here.

 

[[159032]]

No, he got it in the previous five days or so. Doesn't matter whether he brought it in, result the same, miserable kids and man off work. No symptoms. Now he's trying to remember his family and other contacts to bugger their lives up as well. All because the rules aka common sense don't count for some.

Exactly. You just don't know what other people have been doing or who they have been meeting. Just treat people you don't know or trust as lepers.

 

[penberth3]

Other grandpa visited your son and then became ill the next day?

Grandpa was infectious before symptoms displayed..
Also not necessarily given it to son..

Son needs to take test ... that's what they are for.

But son and the family still have to quarantine, I think that was Fisherman's point.

 

[dulls]

Exactly. You just don't know what other people have been doing or who they have been meeting. Just treat people you don't know or trust as lepers.

I agree, i think it is possible to catch something off some of these forums. I wipe the screen when i log out.

 

[jordanbasset]

I agree, i think it is possible to catch something off some of these forums. I wipe the screen when i log out.

Getting too excited?

 

[Tomahawk]

But son and the family still have to quarantine, I think that was Fisherman's point.

Why should son and family quarantine if son tests negative?

Or am I being awkwasking sensible questions?

 

[[159032]]

Why should son and family quarantine if son tests negative?

Or am I being awkwasking sensible questions?

Do these rules not still apply?

If they test positive, they need to stay at home for 10 days from the day their symptoms started. Everyone else in the household needs to stay at home for 14 days from the day their household member's symptoms started. They should do this even if they have no symptoms themselves.

 

[Tomahawk]

Those rules are in the absence of a test on the assumption that having been near someone, the person will get infected.

I am asking the simple question . .why should someone isolate if they have tested negative.. The salient bit is tested negative.
Of course this does rely on an intellegent approach to testing. Testing people who have been potentially exposed is as valuable as testing people with symptoms. Particularly if by testing, it allows people to work instead isolating just in case.

But intelligence and the public sector are strange bed fellows.

 

[Yealm]

Those rules are in the absence of a test on the assumption that having been near someone, the person will get infected.

I am asking the simple question . .why should someone isolate if they have tested negative.. The salient bit is tested negative.
Of course this does rely on an intellegent approach to testing. Testing people who have been potentially exposed is as valuable as testing people with symptoms. Particularly if by testing, it allows people to work instead isolating just in case.

But intelligence and the public sector are strange bed fellows.

Yes, if symptoms and test negative, should definitely isolate.
Though I think govt advice is don't isolate (ignoring the 30% FN rate)

 

[Tomahawk]

Yes, if symptoms and test negative, should definitely isolate.
Though I think govt advice is don't isolate (ignoring the 30% FN rate)

I seriously do not understand that.
If a test shows there is no infection.... the person cannot infect other people. Symptoms can be anything else. Unless the 30% false negative result is much higher than 30%.

On which subject, whilst everyone is happily sniping at the government for their testing failures, one needs remember that some 60% of the DNA is unique and has never been seen before. To develop a testinig kit that can identify this virus is no mean feat in itself. Then to scale up manufacturing is another quite incredible achievement.

 

[Yealm]

I seriously do not understand that.
If a test shows there is no infection.... the person cannot infect other people. Symptoms can be anything else. Unless the 30% false negative result is much higher than 30%.

On which subject, whilst everyone is happily sniping at the government for their testing failures, one needs remember that some 60% of the DNA is unique and has never been seen before. To develop a testinig kit that can identify this virus is no mean feat in itself. Then to scale up manufacturing is another quite incredible achievement.

I’m afraid I don’t understand your reply?

If test is negative, it means probably you don’t have the virus, but you might have it!

That’s why best to have two negative tests as done in Singapore (or maybe comboAg/Ab test).

 

[Tamar]

My five year old son started school full time on Tuesday. I'm just waiting for one of the pupils second cousin first removed mates mates neighbour who's kid is in his class to have a slight temperature so he gets sent home for two weeks, and I have to take two weeks off work ?

 

[Yealm]

My five year old son started school full time on Tuesday. I'm just waiting for one of the pupils second cousin first removed mates mates neighbour who's kid is in his class to have a slight temperature so he gets sent home for two weeks, and I have to take two weeks off work ?

If you do, is that paid or unpaid leave?