Whats the Odds. Chances of dying from..... almost anything

[Peppermint]

I know it's USA data but it's interesting none the less.

http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm is the link to a site of morbid interest.

 

[Peppermint]

Re: And UK transport fatalities 2001

Cross modal comparison of fatality risk for passengers

2001 Fatalities per billion passenger kilometres


Motor cycle/moped 112

Foot 48

Pedal cycle 33

Car 3

Van 0.9

Rail 0.1

Water 0.4

Bus or coach 0.2

Air >0.01



Source: Road Casualties Great Britain 2002: DfT (2003).

 

[halcyon]

Re: And UK transport fatalities 2001

In that case why are we told it's enviromentally better to walk or cycle, when there the 2nd and 3rd most dangerous means of transport ???.

Brian

 

[jhr]

Re: And UK transport fatalities 2001

Greater chance of being prematurely bumped off, therefore (1) you will consume less non-renewable resources during your shortened life span and (2) you will enrich the soil as you decompose.

Not great for you, but excellent for the environment..........

 

[boatmike]

Yes but the sad thing about these sobering statistics it is that it is STILL NOT NEARLY ENOUGH!!!
There are still far to many people in the USA polluting the planet and imposing their will on the rest of us. And there are more being born every minute......

 

[reginaldon]

Do you propose to hijack another airliner - that's how the nazis started

 

[philmarks]

S'funny, I always thought that the chance of from almost anything was 100%. You've made my day. Now I know I've got a chance of not dying.

Where's that wine?

 

[Ships_Cat]

I see that there is almost as much chance of drowning through falling into ones bathtub as there is drowning from a water transport accident.

Maybe we should all wear lifejackets, harnesses and lifelines whenever we go anywhere near our baths (at least a good argument for using a shower instead).

John

 

[halcyon]

Can we add the Chinesse in, there underground fires are polluting the atmospher as much as the Yanks are with there motor vehicles.
Should we start a fund to send in the Green godesse's to put the fires out, be a new thing for Tony.

Brian

 

[jonjo]

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Chinesse ... underground fires are polluting the atmospher

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That is a new one on me, got any more info?

 

[gandy]

Re: And UK transport fatalities 2001

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In that case why are we told it's enviromentally better to walk or cycle, when there the 2nd and 3rd most dangerous means of transport ???.
Brian

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I imagine that all the pedestrians, almost all the cyclists, and most of the motorcycle casualties were killed by cars.

Tony S

 

[AlexL]

In china, and in the US as well there are underground coal seams which for one reason or another have caught fire - there's no way they are ever going to go out and the generate rather a lot of CO2

 

[Lakesailor]

Re: And UK transport fatalities 2001

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I imagine that all the pedestrians, almost all the cyclists, and most of the motorcycle casualties were killed by cars.

Tony S

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"I Imagine" and "It is a fact" are not interchangeable.
Perhaps the cyclists meandered into the path of the motorcyclists whilst avoiding drunken pedestrians.
Don't forget the carbon polution from all those US cremations.

 

[Peppermint]

Re: As an aside

Did the paddies ever put the burning peat bogs out? They were smoking away for years.

 

[Becky]

I thought that too; 100% guaranteed to die from something.
But a bit of useless info that I read in the Independant some time ago; 4 people a year die from putting on their socks. So, watch it you guys who don't wear open-toed sandels.
Safer to be a hippie? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[philmarks]

But I thought (no I've directly observed) all Englishmen wore (wearing) socks with their open-toed sandals?

(I'm Welsh)

 

[Colvic Watson]

I simply don't believe those figures. If there is such a tiny chance of us dying in a boating accident, why would PBO fill its pages with articles on how to survive a MOB incident?

 

[Ships_Cat]

why would PBO fill its pages with articles on how to survive a MOB incident?

I don't know, certainly for boats over 6-7 m hardly anyone ever drowns from them (falling overboard or boat sinking) but, of course, it does happen.

Without hunting the exact figures out again, here in NZ (population 4 million, high boat number for population) over the last 10 or so years {Edit: just done a bit of checking, think this is actually for last 20 years since 1984} only 4 or 5 persons have lost their lives through drowning off yachts longer than 6-7 m, and only 1 or 2 from power boats of similar size. Many, many times more than that drowned in cars (can't remember the figure but I have posted it here before).

I can say that is despite here that hardly anyone wears lifejackets on those sized vessels and harnesses are only worn in difficult conditions (and by the vast majority, not at all).

So MOB is not a big issue as I see it for anything other than very small boats and for them most of the MOB recovery tactics that get written about are hardly applicable due to low freeboard, sheltered water operation, etc, etc.

John

 

[Peppermint]

Re: Perceived Risk

Sells kit. As a man who blew his liferaft budget on a 37" flatscreen TV, for home you understand, that size of TV would be scarey on a 25ft boat, clearly I'm not that obsessed with orange goods. I think a little self assessment is required.

If your boats well designed & maintained, if you sail in UK coastal waters, if you know what your about, your safer on your boat, without the orange goods, than in your house or in your car.

If on the other hand your boat is a dangerous wreck, you cross oceans and you haven't a clue. It won't matter how much you spend on safety kit.

I often wonder how many houses have, a first aid kit, a smoke alarm, a selection of fire extinguishers, a fire blanket and handily placed torches. Not many have alternative temporary housing in case the main house becomes unuseable. Not many have procedures in place for common enough emegency situations or regular training in coping with domestic disaster for all occupants. How about equipment to facilitate escape from an upper floor in a fire? Yet we all know that most injury/fatal accidents happen at home. Get us away from home on our boats though and we're equiped to the eyeballs and trained to the nines.

I can't say from my experience that the equipment is keeping me safe afloat either. In thirty years sailing, if I fall in ( 4 times to date) I'm usually unencumbered by my lifejacket, and most of my safety equipment gets binned, unused, when it's tatty or out of date.

The bloody telly's marvelous.