silver-fox
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I think I know that a Genneker has a fixed luff top and bottom, but what are the other differences?
Whats the difference - Spinnaker - Cruising Shute - Genneker?
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PhilipH
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You cannot sail on a run as easily with a cruising chute/gennaker as you can with a spinnaker. The spinnaker needs a pole but the cc/g is fixed at the bow on a short retractable bowsprit or other point forward of the genoa tack. Spinnaker harder to gybe - with cc/g just pull it round outside the forestay.
I haven't differentiated cruising chute and gennaker as they work the same - someone may know different though.
I haven't differentiated cruising chute and gennaker as they work the same - someone may know different though.
smth448
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A traditional spinnaker is a symmetrical sail set flying from the masthead or hounds with the windward clew fixed to a pole and the leward clew controlled by a sheet.
A gennaker and a cruising chute are more or less the same thing. As the name suggests it is a cross betweena genoa and a spinnaker. It is an asymmetric sail set with the tack fixed to the bow of the boat or to a small bowsprit. It is hoisted flying, ie with the luff not hanked to the forestay and sheeted in similar fashion to a genoa.
From a sailing point of view the main difference between them is that you can run dead down wind with a spinnaker as the pole brings the sail out to windward. You cannot run square with a cruising chute as it gets planketed behind the main in the same way as a genoa is.
When you hear racers talk about asymmetric spinnakers they are taking about a cruising chute on steroids!.
Hope this helps
A gennaker and a cruising chute are more or less the same thing. As the name suggests it is a cross betweena genoa and a spinnaker. It is an asymmetric sail set with the tack fixed to the bow of the boat or to a small bowsprit. It is hoisted flying, ie with the luff not hanked to the forestay and sheeted in similar fashion to a genoa.
From a sailing point of view the main difference between them is that you can run dead down wind with a spinnaker as the pole brings the sail out to windward. You cannot run square with a cruising chute as it gets planketed behind the main in the same way as a genoa is.
When you hear racers talk about asymmetric spinnakers they are taking about a cruising chute on steroids!.
Hope this helps
Skylark
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No doubt others have their own views, but here's mine:
The spinnaker came first and is a relatively light airs down wind sail. Fully symetrical in shape. She will fly off the wind but if your wardrobe permits, change to the gennaker. Relatively complex involving a pole, uphaul, downhaul, sheet, guy, halyard etc. Extremely powerful as the wind increases. Not for the inexperienced nor for the faintheardted. A joy to behold when flown by a skillful crew.
A gennaker, as the name suggest is a cross between the genoa and the spinnaker. An off wind, reaching sail. Often flown from a bowsprit. Easier to control than a spinnaker, significantly less pieces of string. Often also referred to as an asymetric spinnaker.
The cruising chute, to quote from 3 men in another boat, is possibly described as the middle aged, middle class, middle management version. Maybe the same thing as the gennaker, maybe slightly smaller and/or heavier cloth for greater cruising robustness. An off the wind, reaching sail, unlikely to run.
Perhaps the biggest difference is how the sails are gybed. The latter two behave like a very large headsail. The spinnaker (generally) needs a well practiced crew operating with military precision. No doubt some claim single handed virtues but well out of my league.
The spinnaker came first and is a relatively light airs down wind sail. Fully symetrical in shape. She will fly off the wind but if your wardrobe permits, change to the gennaker. Relatively complex involving a pole, uphaul, downhaul, sheet, guy, halyard etc. Extremely powerful as the wind increases. Not for the inexperienced nor for the faintheardted. A joy to behold when flown by a skillful crew.
A gennaker, as the name suggest is a cross between the genoa and the spinnaker. An off wind, reaching sail. Often flown from a bowsprit. Easier to control than a spinnaker, significantly less pieces of string. Often also referred to as an asymetric spinnaker.
The cruising chute, to quote from 3 men in another boat, is possibly described as the middle aged, middle class, middle management version. Maybe the same thing as the gennaker, maybe slightly smaller and/or heavier cloth for greater cruising robustness. An off the wind, reaching sail, unlikely to run.
Perhaps the biggest difference is how the sails are gybed. The latter two behave like a very large headsail. The spinnaker (generally) needs a well practiced crew operating with military precision. No doubt some claim single handed virtues but well out of my league.
ebbtide
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Re: Spinnaker - Cruising Shute - Genneker? Mind your language!
Gentlemen, the question was posed by someone who refers, erroneously, to "a fixed luff top and bottom" so keep it simple! (Hounds as in Baskervilles maybe?)
A spinnaker is the only one which has a pole; it sticks out on the opposite side to the main boom. The sail is cut accordingly and can catch enough wind to fill dead downwind where the Genniker or Cruising Chute collapse behind the main - although in times of boredom one may use crew/boathook/jibstick etcet to bear out the clew.
As these sails have 3 sides they technically have luff, leach and foot but but a spi's long sides are identical so names reverse depending on the set.
We found that the easiest way to gybe a cruising chute was to let the sail blow away in front of the forestay: with an extra-long sheet its easier to pull in on the other side. But if not restricted by class rules then fit TWO poles for the spinnaker. The extra strings are no problem and facilitate a really simple gybing routine easily managed even when short-handed.
I will confess to never peeling kites even tho we had two of everything including a flat tri-radial in a bag ominously labelled Storm Spinaker (which set well on a fine reach with a Blade = No 3 Genoa - inside it.) That's playing with string just for it's own sake and may well leave you motoring home with an embarrassing wrap round the forestay!
Gentlemen, the question was posed by someone who refers, erroneously, to "a fixed luff top and bottom" so keep it simple! (Hounds as in Baskervilles maybe?)
A spinnaker is the only one which has a pole; it sticks out on the opposite side to the main boom. The sail is cut accordingly and can catch enough wind to fill dead downwind where the Genniker or Cruising Chute collapse behind the main - although in times of boredom one may use crew/boathook/jibstick etcet to bear out the clew.
As these sails have 3 sides they technically have luff, leach and foot but but a spi's long sides are identical so names reverse depending on the set.
We found that the easiest way to gybe a cruising chute was to let the sail blow away in front of the forestay: with an extra-long sheet its easier to pull in on the other side. But if not restricted by class rules then fit TWO poles for the spinnaker. The extra strings are no problem and facilitate a really simple gybing routine easily managed even when short-handed.
I will confess to never peeling kites even tho we had two of everything including a flat tri-radial in a bag ominously labelled Storm Spinaker (which set well on a fine reach with a Blade = No 3 Genoa - inside it.) That's playing with string just for it's own sake and may well leave you motoring home with an embarrassing wrap round the forestay!
tudorsailor
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When you are using a cuising chute, just off a dead run, what do you do with your main? If it is fully out will it not shield the cruising chute still so do you sheet it in tight and rely on just the CC for power?
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michael_w
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Slack off the tack line and with a bit of luck it'll roll to windward.
If not, try dumping loads of halyard and flying it to leeward of the main; keep it just skimming over the water. Hoist the halyard if it collapses. Eee! Just like a 1970's blooper.
If not, try dumping loads of halyard and flying it to leeward of the main; keep it just skimming over the water. Hoist the halyard if it collapses. Eee! Just like a 1970's blooper.
silver-fox
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Re: Spinnaker - Cruising Shute - Genneker? Mind your language!
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Gentlemen, the question was posed by someone who refers, erroneously, to "a fixed luff top and bottom" so keep it simple! (Hounds as in Baskervilles maybe?)
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Ouch! ......
Above quote aside chaps, can I sincerely thank you for educating this simple soul.
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Gentlemen, the question was posed by someone who refers, erroneously, to "a fixed luff top and bottom" so keep it simple! (Hounds as in Baskervilles maybe?)
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Ouch! ......
Above quote aside chaps, can I sincerely thank you for educating this simple soul.
davidej
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Re: Spinnaker - Cruising Shute - Genneker? Mind your language!
I have a cruising chute and when running I sail goosewinged with the chute poled out just like you would a normal jib or genny.
Am I doing wrong?
I have a cruising chute and when running I sail goosewinged with the chute poled out just like you would a normal jib or genny.
Am I doing wrong?
