coopec
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I have a 43 ft f/g Roberts Mauritius ready for the water. What type of anchors do I need?
Thanks in anticipation.
Thanks in anticipation.
What type of anchors do I need for Mauritius 43ft?
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Neeves
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Its not critical but it might be useful if you can define where you are to use your yacht (ie seabeds or is it any/everywhere) and what rode, diameter and length, you will be using. Will you carry a snubber - of what construction and length. Finally you might not know, but if you use a crane, or travel lift. to lift her it would be worth the exercise - how heavy?
But you will need more than one anchor (and need a spare rode).
Jonathan
But you will need more than one anchor (and need a spare rode).
Jonathan
coopec
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My yacht is a Roberts Mauritius 43ft
I have 80m of 10mm chain with 1000W Muir winch. And I have a 27kg Sand anchor as well as a 60 lb Manson Plough . Since I'm told the Mansom Plough is "Old Hat" I'll probably add a Mansom Supreme
I thought I was going to use a Fisherman's (Admiralty?) for coral until I was told it is illegal to anchor in coral.
The yacht would be used off the coast of West Australia
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Neeves
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I don't think this is what you want to hear.
80m of 10mm chain seems a bit of a push for a 1,000 watt motor. If this is Muir's recommendation then consider negotiating with them and downsize the chain to 8mm G40. But you may have bought the chain and this will just be a bit of a nightmare. But if you are locked into 10mm then I might see if Muir will upsize the motor (and you, maybe) upsize the wiring.
I'd have invested in an 8mm windlass the smaller chain saves weight and space and will be more than strong enough, and a snubber.
Dump the Manson Plough, which is what we did. The Manson Plough is very reliable - at dragging. Replace it with any NG anchor but Spade will be even more expensive than in the UK (you might get one from Chains, Ropes and Anchors in Auckland). I'd actually suggest an Excel, from Anchor Right (who are making inroads in the UK) but if you are 'set' on a concave then I'd recommend you consider a Rocna (or Epsilon). I'd recommend dumping the sand anchor and replace it with a Fortress whatever is closest to a 12/15kg. You will find carrying a 27kg sand anchor (Danforth) the most dangerous action you will encounter on a yacht (when you come to need it in a hurry). You will need a second rode - or the Fortress cannot be deployed.
This is all very controversial and unpalatable - react and I'll hone my comments, slightly.
Jonathan
80m of 10mm chain seems a bit of a push for a 1,000 watt motor. If this is Muir's recommendation then consider negotiating with them and downsize the chain to 8mm G40. But you may have bought the chain and this will just be a bit of a nightmare. But if you are locked into 10mm then I might see if Muir will upsize the motor (and you, maybe) upsize the wiring.
I'd have invested in an 8mm windlass the smaller chain saves weight and space and will be more than strong enough, and a snubber.
Dump the Manson Plough, which is what we did. The Manson Plough is very reliable - at dragging. Replace it with any NG anchor but Spade will be even more expensive than in the UK (you might get one from Chains, Ropes and Anchors in Auckland). I'd actually suggest an Excel, from Anchor Right (who are making inroads in the UK) but if you are 'set' on a concave then I'd recommend you consider a Rocna (or Epsilon). I'd recommend dumping the sand anchor and replace it with a Fortress whatever is closest to a 12/15kg. You will find carrying a 27kg sand anchor (Danforth) the most dangerous action you will encounter on a yacht (when you come to need it in a hurry). You will need a second rode - or the Fortress cannot be deployed.
This is all very controversial and unpalatable - react and I'll hone my comments, slightly.
Jonathan
NormanS
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After a few pages of arguments from contributors with very fixed ideas, you'll wish that you hadn't asked the question.I have a 43 ft f/g Roberts Mauritius ready for the water. What type of anchors do I need?
Thanks in anticipation.
One obvious consideration is what will fit your bow roller(s) arrangement.
I see nothing wrong with your 1000w windlass for 10mm chain. I've been using that for years without a problem.
Good luck and good sailing when you launch.
Stingo
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You won't need an anchor, because if your boat is used as often as 99% of boats, it'll never leave the marina.
coopec
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I don't think this is what you want to hear.
80m of 10mm chain seems a bit of a push for a 1,000 watt motor. If this is Muir's recommendation then consider negotiating with them and downsize the chain to 8mm G40. But you may have bought the chain and this will just be a bit of a nightmare. But if you are locked into 10mm then I might see if Muir will upsize the motor (and you, maybe) upsize the wiring.
I'd have invested in an 8mm windlass the smaller chain saves weight and space and will be more than strong enough, and a snubber.
Dump the Manson Plough, which is what we did. The Manson Plough is very reliable - at dragging. Replace it with any NG anchor but Spade will be even more expensive than in the UK (you might get one from Chains, Ropes and Anchors in Auckland). I'd actually suggest an Excel, from Anchor Right (who are making inroads in the UK) but if you are 'set' on a concave then I'd recommend you consider a Rocna (or Epsilon). I'd recommend dumping the sand anchor and replace it with a Fortress whatever is closest to a 12/15kg. You will find carrying a 27kg sand anchor (Danforth) the most dangerous action you will encounter on a yacht (when you come to need it in a hurry). You will need a second rode - or the Fortress cannot be deployed.
This is all very controversial and unpalatable - react and I'll hone my comments, slightly.
Jonathan
Yes I thought you'd give that sort of advice.
I have a n experienced yachtsman who is going to skipper the yacht for me and he wants the Manson plough replaced. I'm not looking for ways to to spend money but I'll keep in mind what you say about replacing the sand anchor with a Fortress(?)
"You will need a second rode - or the Fortress cannot be deployed." What would that be - 20m chain and rope? (I have no idea)
coopec
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Sadly I think you are right - sailing is a dying recreation.
Is sailing losing popularity?
Since its heyday of the 1980s when more than 12.5 million Americans sailed for recreation or sport, sailing's popularity has declined enormously. In fact, just 2.5 million Americans participate in sailing today.3 Mar 2017
geem
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I read a 'fact' a few years ago that suggested that of boats in a marina, on.y 1/3 go out of the marina regularly. Of those that go out, only one 1/3 are competent. Thank God I never go in marinas 
Neeves
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We don't know your timetable but if you have the time watch eBay or Gumtree - in the UK anchors are sold that way and members here almost seem to collect and hoard them. Anchors generally last forever and there would be nothing wrong with a 20 year old Fortress, never used, off a racing yacht. People buy anchors, find them too big (seldom too small - everyone oversizes) so Rocna, Supremes, Excels would be good value - if you can wait. Stingo and Geem have a point - we see yachts rushing off into the National Park on a Friday evening and returning Sunday afternoon - they spend the time on courtesy moorings (never anchor and never raise their sails). We like this as it means anchorages are quiet - the party folk are elsewhere - but I don't knock it at all.
I'd use anchor plait and 15/20m of chain (ours is 40m of 12mm 3 ply and 15m of chain). we carry 75m of chain for our primary rode. One day you might feel the need to deploy 2 anchors in a 'V' (or fork) and or you might need a Bahamian moor. Worst case scenario - your chain jambs off something immovable and you have to chop off chain (and anchor) - you will feel very silly if you have to strip out a halyard to anchor. We sometimes use shore lines, short lengths of chain are good to put round trees or rocks, a short piece of Re-bar hammered into cracks in rocks can be useful (cheaper than rock climber's pitons). You don't need to spend too much
So look how far will you be from 5m reliable anchorages - and think of 6:1 scope - 40m of anchor plait and 15m of chain (as we carry) would be a good start. Don't go too large on the chain size - you may need to retrieve by hand and deploy from a dinghy.
Jonathan
doug748
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You might get yourself a Danforth instead, smaller, cheaper and the same thing really. I am not a great fan of stowing heavy things on deck/pulpit but with a boat like yours I might mount it aft with the rode hanked on.
Stingo
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Apologies for hijacking a thread away from the subject of anchors (this must be a first), but considering the current over-inflated prices in the used boat market, one wouldn't suspect that the popularity of recreational boating is dying.Sadly I think you are right - sailing is a dying recreation.
Is sailing losing popularity?
Since its heyday of the 1980s when more than 12.5 million Americans sailed for recreation or sport, sailing's popularity has declined enormously. In fact, just 2.5 million Americans participate in sailing today.3 Mar 2017
PaulRainbow
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Absolutely!
There is a shortage of used boats in the UK and marinas around here have waiting lists, something i haven't seen for a decade or more.
Baggywrinkle
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geem
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We rarely use our kedge anchor but when we do, it's from the dinghy. Our aluminium kedge anchor can easily be dropped into the dinghy and manhandled. Easily thrown over the side and recovered. It would be so much harder if it weighed more
coopec
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Not sure what you are getting at.
eBay operate worldwide
Which countries have Gumtree?
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coopec
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That makes a lot of sense looking at the second hand market for anchors. As you say they don't wear out
Here is a Manson Supreme anchor for sale on Gumtree but a bit small for me.
Manson Supreme anchor 25 | Boat Accessories & Parts | Gumtree Australia Canning Area - Rossmoyne | 1306193276
I've also seen large Rule bilge pumps for sale - never used at a fraction of the price of a new one. Why was he selling? The insurance company stipulated the bilge pump had to be replaced every 5 years.
Neeves
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Sorry did not mean that in the UK you sell through Gumtree
but that anchors were sold over the internet as product is sold in Australia, through ebay and Gumtree - we are both in Oz.Jonathan
Neeves
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I quickly glanced at the ad for the Supreme 25 and could not determine if that was 25lb or kg, if Kg - seemed fine. I had a look at Manson's anchor calculator and it came up with 25kg for your yacht but I did have to make a guess for weight of your yacht
If your Manson plough is new and unused you might be able to return it to Manson (through their distributor in Perth) and swap for a Supreme.
The problem with anchors on both Gumtree and eBay is that you are usually looking for someone local - as freight is the obvious killer.
However my next door neighbour sold a sail drive for a Bukh and the buyer drove to collect it - and he lived in Melbourne. (Not quite the geography of Perth to Sydney - but its still a long way). Sendle do cheap courier services in Oz - but if you consider them let me know and I'll advise you. I've used them twice, once for a Spade I regalvanisied and once for some chain - they are quirky.
Jonathan
If your Manson plough is new and unused you might be able to return it to Manson (through their distributor in Perth) and swap for a Supreme.
The problem with anchors on both Gumtree and eBay is that you are usually looking for someone local - as freight is the obvious killer.
However my next door neighbour sold a sail drive for a Bukh and the buyer drove to collect it - and he lived in Melbourne. (Not quite the geography of Perth to Sydney - but its still a long way). Sendle do cheap courier services in Oz - but if you consider them let me know and I'll advise you. I've used them twice, once for a Spade I regalvanisied and once for some chain - they are quirky.
Jonathan
PaulRainbow
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"Manson Supreme 25 galvanised anchor (11kg) bought new and unused. Suit 8-10m boat. "
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