Peppermint
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What on earth is going wrong at PBO? nm
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vyv_cox
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Don't know, what on earth IS going wrong at PBO?
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JamesS
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I don't know - but I have stopped buying after 10 years.
Cheers
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Cheers
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Peppermint
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The quiz answer was wrong. At least two of the articles, The Stability one which was complex for no good reason & the Jo Mooring Aldrige piece was worthless.
The banal "Checklists" are quite amusing. The chartering stories appear to be raising their profile.
It does say Practical Boat Owner on the cover and there is a number of technical articles to support this. BUT! I don't remember an issue over the last 10 years or more that I could find so much to be criticle of.
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The banal "Checklists" are quite amusing. The chartering stories appear to be raising their profile.
It does say Practical Boat Owner on the cover and there is a number of technical articles to support this. BUT! I don't remember an issue over the last 10 years or more that I could find so much to be criticle of.
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mickshep
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I've got a box of P.B.O's from the late seventies. I reread those these days, no where near as glossy. but a hell of a lot more interesting and dare I say, 'PRACTICAL' Anyone got the edition where your shown how to build a lovely little round bilged tender from 2 sheets of ply using just 2 or 3 plank shapes? the offerings these days just look like shoe box's and the personal touch has gone maybe I'm getting old!!!! Pass me the rose tinted specs someone. Mike
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tcm
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Re: sign of the times.
Unfortunately it is no longer very easy to buy plywood other than in plastic-wrapped handy-sized sheets 2 feet square, or as contiboard. All other wood is sold in variety packs with a wide range of bendiness and twistiness, so no chance of any more woodworking articles. I would like some guidance on how to unpack AA bateries from the superstrength blister packs with either cutting myself AND without spraying all the batteries everywhere.
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Unfortunately it is no longer very easy to buy plywood other than in plastic-wrapped handy-sized sheets 2 feet square, or as contiboard. All other wood is sold in variety packs with a wide range of bendiness and twistiness, so no chance of any more woodworking articles. I would like some guidance on how to unpack AA bateries from the superstrength blister packs with either cutting myself AND without spraying all the batteries everywhere.
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Gunfleet
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Re: sign of the times.
<<I would like some guidance on how to unpack AA bateries from the superstrength blister packs with either cutting myself AND without spraying all the batteries everywhere>>
depute wife. Do you not notice they can make those thin plastic bags in supermarkets open too? Everytime I go into Waitrose you can see the assistants gather to commiserate. Poor love, and he can't open a little bag. How long has he been like this?
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<<I would like some guidance on how to unpack AA bateries from the superstrength blister packs with either cutting myself AND without spraying all the batteries everywhere>>
depute wife. Do you not notice they can make those thin plastic bags in supermarkets open too? Everytime I go into Waitrose you can see the assistants gather to commiserate. Poor love, and he can't open a little bag. How long has he been like this?
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cngarrod
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I'd be interested in the article about building a round bilged tender - any chance if i send you an SAE you could photocopy it and send it on?
For some strange reason - i can find wood in all sorts of sizes from a timber merchants.. strange that!
Thanks,
Craig.
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For some strange reason - i can find wood in all sorts of sizes from a timber merchants.. strange that!
Thanks,
Craig.
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richardandtracy
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Go \"White Van Man\" spotting for the best prices.
Try going to a builders merchant and not a DIY store for decent priced ply. You'll get an 8ft by 4ft bit of ply for the price of a 4ft x 2ft bit in a DIY store.
If I ever see a Space Wagon at a store, I know the buyers will be called 'clientel' not 'Oi! You!' and prices are going to be too high for me.. If the car park isn't 50% white vans, go elsewhere. White van man knows the best prices, 'coz his business depends on it. Only ever going to a builders merchant also means that Saturday afternoon & Sunday are 100% free for working - you can't pop out to a shut shop. You also tend to plan better too.
Regards
Richard.
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Try going to a builders merchant and not a DIY store for decent priced ply. You'll get an 8ft by 4ft bit of ply for the price of a 4ft x 2ft bit in a DIY store.
If I ever see a Space Wagon at a store, I know the buyers will be called 'clientel' not 'Oi! You!' and prices are going to be too high for me.. If the car park isn't 50% white vans, go elsewhere. White van man knows the best prices, 'coz his business depends on it. Only ever going to a builders merchant also means that Saturday afternoon & Sunday are 100% free for working - you can't pop out to a shut shop. You also tend to plan better too.
Regards
Richard.
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dickh
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Yes - AND I built it!! It's still in my shed, I used it as tender for a few months until it got "borrowed", returned a few hours later but not even left tied up... I then invested in a plastic bathtub as a tender. Rows quite well with one but a bit tender with two.. I'm waiting till my grandchildren are a bit bigger.
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I'd rather be sailing...
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I'd rather be sailing...
/forums/images/icons/smile.gifwarrior40
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The only good thing about PBO these days is Sarah Norbury.
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Peppermint
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Re: True
Serious builders merchants are the way to go. I wanted a rechargable spot light.
£29 in the "discount" chandlers. £12 in by local builders merchants. I bought a set of wire cutters for £22 in the same place typical chandlers price £80.
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Serious builders merchants are the way to go. I wanted a rechargable spot light.
£29 in the "discount" chandlers. £12 in by local builders merchants. I bought a set of wire cutters for £22 in the same place typical chandlers price £80.
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craigbalsillie
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As a newcomer to sailing I reckon it's a pretty good publication..
The "banal" checklists that someone further down the thread refers too, might be of use to some people who are new to this game..(ie Me)
It always amazes me how, in every walk of life, there are those people who were born knowing absolutely everything about everything and they didn't need any help or pointers. They just jumped aboard a 40 footer and sailed off round the world and fixed everything that broke and kept the crew safe and happy.
If anyone from PBO reads this , keep up the good work...
Craig Balsillie
PS..
any chance of a free subscription
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The "banal" checklists that someone further down the thread refers too, might be of use to some people who are new to this game..(ie Me)
It always amazes me how, in every walk of life, there are those people who were born knowing absolutely everything about everything and they didn't need any help or pointers. They just jumped aboard a 40 footer and sailed off round the world and fixed everything that broke and kept the crew safe and happy.
If anyone from PBO reads this , keep up the good work...
Craig Balsillie
PS..
any chance of a free subscription
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Peppermint
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Re: Nice try for the subscription But!
Thats the danger really that a formally authoritive publication can come up with this kind of psuedo knowledge.
I admit that a few of us have probably just come to the part of our magazine reading cycle where you just think Oh! "Not winterizing my outboard again". I hope new comers get something out of this stuff but compared to just last years content I think you should have a pinch of salt with you.
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Thats the danger really that a formally authoritive publication can come up with this kind of psuedo knowledge.
I admit that a few of us have probably just come to the part of our magazine reading cycle where you just think Oh! "Not winterizing my outboard again". I hope new comers get something out of this stuff but compared to just last years content I think you should have a pinch of salt with you.
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craigbalsillie
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Re: Nice try for the subscription But!
I have to admit, the article about building a tender from a couple of sheets of ply sounds interesting and they seem to , especially, the last couple of months, like banging on about computer software and stuff, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAIL.. to get away from software upgrades and installs and bugs and reboots .....
I want a lump of wood within which to pit my wits against all that mother nature can throw at me. Most months I find PBO a big help with this dream but occasionally I think they could do better...
Do they read these forums ? the people in charge.. They should!!
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I have to admit, the article about building a tender from a couple of sheets of ply sounds interesting and they seem to , especially, the last couple of months, like banging on about computer software and stuff, THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SAIL.. to get away from software upgrades and installs and bugs and reboots .....
I want a lump of wood within which to pit my wits against all that mother nature can throw at me. Most months I find PBO a big help with this dream but occasionally I think they could do better...
Do they read these forums ? the people in charge.. They should!!
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Ohdrat
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They are owned by AOL.... that's why.. generally the dumming down or Americanisation (depending on your outlook) of the UK (the 51st State). /forums/images/icons/mad.gif
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craigbalsillie
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That is a very good and valid point..
Look out , in coming issues , for how to mount a sub machine gun post in either a forward or aft position...
also a list of your nearest sail through burger joints...
also a new section to be added to the RYA Yachtmaster courses,,
How to deal with friendly fire incidents...?
Look out too for a campaign to cease the flying of the red (or white) ensign,..
everyone in the 51st state must fly the stars and stripes....
To quote Mr J Royle esq. "My Ar*e"!!!
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Look out , in coming issues , for how to mount a sub machine gun post in either a forward or aft position...
also a list of your nearest sail through burger joints...
also a new section to be added to the RYA Yachtmaster courses,,
How to deal with friendly fire incidents...?
Look out too for a campaign to cease the flying of the red (or white) ensign,..
everyone in the 51st state must fly the stars and stripes....
To quote Mr J Royle esq. "My Ar*e"!!!
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duncan
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Re:the good old days....
they are not alone in this - being laid up with a back problem earlier in the year I got the old stock of Sea Angling publications hauled out and stacked beside the bed for something to do / cheer myself up - Sea Angler, Improve Your Sea Fishing and Boat Angler (until it merged with Sea Angler) for the last 8 years. No doubt about it - thicker, more informative and less advertising. Even when they get a good idea now they have to string it out and dumb it down - example is current Knot 'series' looking at knot strength. Useing one BS nylon line and 'dry' as far as I can tell. 8 years ago we would have got spektra braid/fused braid/flurocarbon/nylon of 15/30/50lb breaking strain compared (if they all existed then of course!) - ie. something meaningfull!
Still we keep on buying it................
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they are not alone in this - being laid up with a back problem earlier in the year I got the old stock of Sea Angling publications hauled out and stacked beside the bed for something to do / cheer myself up - Sea Angler, Improve Your Sea Fishing and Boat Angler (until it merged with Sea Angler) for the last 8 years. No doubt about it - thicker, more informative and less advertising. Even when they get a good idea now they have to string it out and dumb it down - example is current Knot 'series' looking at knot strength. Useing one BS nylon line and 'dry' as far as I can tell. 8 years ago we would have got spektra braid/fused braid/flurocarbon/nylon of 15/30/50lb breaking strain compared (if they all existed then of course!) - ie. something meaningfull!
Still we keep on buying it................
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escape
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About a year ago PBO ran a series on new boat owners and asked me to contribute.
They interviewed me and wanted to know what my experience was of buying a new boat.
I felt I gave a balanced view of the event, both good and bad, the bad mainly due to the uk agent not the product.
They chose to only publish the positive ( dont want to upset a regular advertiser do we !)
I have not read the mag even free in the club since.
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They interviewed me and wanted to know what my experience was of buying a new boat.
I felt I gave a balanced view of the event, both good and bad, the bad mainly due to the uk agent not the product.
They chose to only publish the positive ( dont want to upset a regular advertiser do we !)
I have not read the mag even free in the club since.
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Birdseye
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i reckon its all down to the 10 year magazine cycle.
you start off a new hobby (obsession according to swmbo), avidly buy and read all available mags, gradually learning what its all about. 10 years down the road, you realise that you are seeing the same magazine article for the third time (special laying up issue anyone?) and even remember the worthwhile bits from the last time. you stop buying most of the mags, just looking through the library copies stored in the bottom of your wardrobe when you want to find out anything.
swmbo asks if you are ever going to throw them out. you start to sort through them, to be found two hours later deep in an article on installing a holding tank.
the only cure is a new obsessionand a pile of different mags
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you start off a new hobby (obsession according to swmbo), avidly buy and read all available mags, gradually learning what its all about. 10 years down the road, you realise that you are seeing the same magazine article for the third time (special laying up issue anyone?) and even remember the worthwhile bits from the last time. you stop buying most of the mags, just looking through the library copies stored in the bottom of your wardrobe when you want to find out anything.
swmbo asks if you are ever going to throw them out. you start to sort through them, to be found two hours later deep in an article on installing a holding tank.
the only cure is a new obsessionand a pile of different mags
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