Momac
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With diesel becoming no longer fashionable as a road vehicle fuel would it be wise to change sooner rather than later to sail before the future of motor boating ( with diesel engines) becomes no longer viable?
What is the future of motor boating?
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rubberduck
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As road transport moves away from Diesel I expect the price of the stuff to come down & future boats will follow the tech being developed in the motor industry.
So short term hang on & long term unless we have sea tolls expect a return to growth in the industry.
So short term hang on & long term unless we have sea tolls expect a return to growth in the industry.
Bouba
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The future will probably follow the current trends. More superyachts, bigger superyachts. Boats of almost fifty feet becoming more numerous. More space inside boats. Boats getting taller.
The first impact of environmentalism on boating will be the lack of new marinas or expansion of existing ones. And I would imagine that the first great environmental tax on new boats will be an end of life (scrappage) tax. And I suspect all other boat taxes will go up but that won’t be for any environmental reason.
The first impact of environmentalism on boating will be the lack of new marinas or expansion of existing ones. And I would imagine that the first great environmental tax on new boats will be an end of life (scrappage) tax. And I suspect all other boat taxes will go up but that won’t be for any environmental reason.
Greg2
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I have been wondering about this. The Govt have commissioned a review of the impacts of recreational boating and the increasing awareness of climate change and what we need to do to address it could possibly lead to increased taxation through carbon taxes. I am less than convinced that our political class can be relied upon to take reasoned, balanced decisions and there is always the temptation to take ‘low hanging fruit’ so I think that things are a little uncertain at the moment.
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oldgit
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Given that HMG is desperately searching around for public support with a GE on the horizon and the shiney new "Office for Environmental Protection" being given a mandate to reduce carbon emissions.
Any thoughts on the chances of retaining derogation on a fuel only able to be used by a tiny proportion of the community to enjoy a hobby. ?
Any thoughts on the chances of retaining derogation on a fuel only able to be used by a tiny proportion of the community to enjoy a hobby. ?
ari
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Costs, I could see taxes rising in the UK on fuel for boats using 'green' as an excuse. The result will be a lot of handwringing and claims of decimating the marine industry then not much actual change (beyond a few boats going slower/less far).
Design, agree with above, the trend is ever more volume because ultimately, boats are mostly floating caravans/waterside apartments, so a more voluminous boat will always be in more demand. Hard to see that they can get much higher, so maybe wider?
Design, agree with above, the trend is ever more volume because ultimately, boats are mostly floating caravans/waterside apartments, so a more voluminous boat will always be in more demand. Hard to see that they can get much higher, so maybe wider?
Bouba
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If you stand beside a Navetta then you know how high you can go (it’s like a tower block). But width is a problem, Med berthing limits the width like the Panama Canal does for ships
QBhoy
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Highly efficient and advanced outboards will be right up there, if they keep going as they are. Incredible things now.
Still not sure about their cosmetic appeal on larger boats though.
Still not sure about their cosmetic appeal on larger boats though.
Sailorsam101
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The only people to suffer will be the people with smaller/older boats with limited means. Those that can spend 500k on a boat won't care about an increase in fuel costs.
Shame but that's always the way i guess
Shame but that's always the way i guess
jrudge
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I don’t know how efficient they are but I passed on running in the Mariana last summer. It was totally silent other than the water tell tale.
Momac
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That's me !
Rocksteadee
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I have often wondered what it problem is with “rising” CO2. Follow this train of thought.
We need air to live.
In particular Oxygen.
Oxygen is produced by plant life.
Plant live need CO2 to live.
So reducing CO2 is to suffocate the very mechanism we need to live.
The great tax hoax
We need air to live.
In particular Oxygen.
Oxygen is produced by plant life.
Plant live need CO2 to live.
So reducing CO2 is to suffocate the very mechanism we need to live.
The great tax hoax
Momac
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Not really – but you knew that?
Rocksteadee
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I can’t think of a simpler way to put it
Momac
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The vegetation will not be starved if CO2 emissions created by manmade activities are reduced.
Globally there is presently too much C02 being produced. More than the vegetation can deal with.
Momac
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Although I own a planing hull twin engined motorboat I am very much aware it consumes fuel at a rate that some people may already consider environmentally irresponsible.
In the same way that smoking in public places has become increasingly unacceptable I predict there will be increasing criticism of the use of internal combustion engines for any use that is otherwise avoidable.
The UK government has an ambition to see all shipping in UK waters is zero emission by 2050 .
New cars may not be internal combustion engines by 2030.
Therefore I would anticipate the build up to this will be gradual but determined and applied to all things. If the demand for diesel and petrol drops significantly it will presumably become unavailable to the public.
Will people buy a £500k boat capable of 20 kts + driven by powerful diesels if it is increasingly seen by many as socially unacceptable and potentially unusable? More probably a change to electric propulsion (slow) may be the trend. In that case perhaps sailing becomes the more popular option for sea boats ?
In the same way that smoking in public places has become increasingly unacceptable I predict there will be increasing criticism of the use of internal combustion engines for any use that is otherwise avoidable.
The UK government has an ambition to see all shipping in UK waters is zero emission by 2050 .
New cars may not be internal combustion engines by 2030.
Therefore I would anticipate the build up to this will be gradual but determined and applied to all things. If the demand for diesel and petrol drops significantly it will presumably become unavailable to the public.
Will people buy a £500k boat capable of 20 kts + driven by powerful diesels if it is increasingly seen by many as socially unacceptable and potentially unusable? More probably a change to electric propulsion (slow) may be the trend. In that case perhaps sailing becomes the more popular option for sea boats ?
Boat2016
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Is it really the end for diesel, seems a bit odd expanding when we are supposed to be cutting down on fossil fuels.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-49661098
James L
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I think the future for motor boating will be artifical fuels, but at a higher price than we are used to paying.
Canadians reckon their air to fuel technology will produce fossil fuel substitutes at less than $1 a liter.
https://carbonengineering.com/about-a2f/
Long range shipping and aircraft will likely never go battery powered so there will always be a place for liquid fuel, at least in our lifetimes.
Alternatively it could be electric motors but powered by hydrogen, probably not so suitable for leisure boats though.
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Deleted User YDKXO
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Yup tax on marine diesel in the UK is only going one way and thats up. I also suspect that low emission or no emission zones will be imposed on some of our coastal areas which will all but prohibit fossil fuelled boating. The only factor that might inhibit this trend is the fact that one of the very few UK manufacturing success stories is motorboat building and any future govt should be loathe to do anything that damages that industry
In the short term, I suspect that increasing numbers of people will be cruising to the Channel Islands with extra tanks to fill up on cheaper diesel
In the long term we better hope that there is a step change in battery design which yields battery packs with a similar energy density to diesel and which will allow offshore passage making under electric power only
Portofino
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Re: What is the future of motor boating?
More water to boat on as the sea rises
More builders cashing in on the demand for boats as land disappears
Less claims for grounding
Larger areas to cruise .
Increased weapon use age as useable land depletes
More resourcefulness in harvesting food from the water .
More reliant on green energy .
A bit like this ....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=131Gzry382w
More water to boat on as the sea rises
More builders cashing in on the demand for boats as land disappears
Less claims for grounding
Larger areas to cruise .
Increased weapon use age as useable land depletes
More resourcefulness in harvesting food from the water .
More reliant on green energy .
A bit like this ....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=131Gzry382w
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