Westerly SeaLord

[john_morris_uk]

Does anyone know what the going price for a Westerly Sea Lord is if it was in 'good' condition. We hav been looking at one in poor nick, and obviously don't want to make the sums of boat plus fixing it cost more than another boat that didn't need fixing. My searches only show a couple for sale world wide and its not easy to decide what the going rate is. Price range would help if anyone has an opinion.

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[daveking]

You need to decide how much it's worth to you finished, minus repairs and possible problems and hey presto you will have a price.
Don't be tempted to chase the boat above your price unless you have had a survey done and the boat is a good one needing less work than you first thought.
at the end of the day it's worth what you are prepared to pay for it.
good luck
Dave

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[alant]

SeaLord 41 £119950
SeaLord 39 £ 63000


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[tcm]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

the two examples on the boats for sale thingy (lisbon and US) seem to be 50-60k in okish condition - so a manky one is gonna surely be less, perhaps a lot less?

One anti re sealord might be that the oceanlord has a nice rear cabin with proper bed, whereas the sealord is erm a "no-shagging" boat - clattering around with plywood bunk fillins at bedtime etc.

What the heck, start at say um £32.5k for the sealord to make it look as tho you have worked everything out. DON'T mention specifics like grass coming out of the wassernames to justify your low offer else they will argue every litttle point and say that grass in the drains means that has never had nasty chemicals on it and hence is much more valuable etc etc...

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[waterboy]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

Are Westerly prices falling back that fast?
No come on. £60 - 70K for a Sealord is surely nearer the mark> After all, if £50 -55 for a good boat is correct, it makes the £38K I got for an '82 Discus 33 a year ago look like plain old robbery.

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[BlueSkyNick]

There is an excelllent Westerly Owners Association who helped me when we were boat hunting.

If you go onto Yahoo groups, and search on Westerly Owners, you might find your way to them.

Send me PM if you want more details, and I will dig out specific names for you.

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[john_morris_uk]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

Thanks for all the replies chaps. Here are the facts as I have them at the moment. Boat was on the Market for £70k Dropped to £61k was under offer and surveyed which revealed a load of problems. Osmosis in Rudder, bulkhead under mast needs rebonding, fordeck where inner forestay comes through has problems etc etc, plus lots of TLC to dings and stress crazing in topsides and deck (quote of about £11k from the yard - but I'd put it closer to £15k. Then it needs all new headlinings (£3k quoted) and upholstery (quoted £1200 but I think more likely to be £2k) , plus a new set of standing rigging fitted (£1200 plus £400 fitting) The broker now says try an offer of £54k which I think is optimistic to say the least... or at that pric he figures don't stack up.

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[john_morris_uk]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

Thank you for all that. It about sums up my feelings. At the moment I'm quids in as I haven't actually made an offer and haven't spent money on the survey - but the broker let me see the survey that the previous customer had paid for - ok its not my survey and I can't buy the boat on it, but its only a couple of months old...

You have confirmed what I was thinking all along - the only part of the equation we were missing was another opinion on what a Sealord might be worth in good nick.

It doesn't help that we have just given up trying to negotiate for a Moody 376 in the Med with the vendors not willing to move one penny and still asking UK S Coast prices! ('But our boat is the best one on the market' was their cry...)

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[poter]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

Just my 2p worth, even Moody's have come down significantly in price.
Ok not in the same league as the oceanlord but the asking for my Moody 30 was £22K I eventually got her for £14K I think the moral is, offer the price that you feel the boat is worth befor the repair costs & then include a price drop as well for neglect.

Double what you think the costs of repair/replacement will be!

BUT go with your instincts, there is a Westerly (Oceanlord I think) on the hard at Plymouth, she looked a mess, but the new owner has put a lot of hard work into her & she now looks like new.
My personal feeling is that the quality built boats will hold a certain amount of glam/qudos price, but rightly so, the 26 year old gelcoat on my Moody came up as good as any brand new gelcoat, with a bit of tlc and elbowgrease.
have a look at
http://www.fairhead.com/peter/pics/81 new paint.JPG

poter



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[MartinGPerry]

Re: Westerly Owners Association

Loads of Westerlies for sale on the owners association web site, but no OceanLords or SeaLords at the moment.
www.westerly-owners.co.uk

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[charles_reed]

Time will

correct their delusions.

I'm always amazed how desperately uneconomically insane everything to do with boats is in the UK.

Mind you even France is currently cheaper to live in than this country.

PS As with all generalisations I've overdone it - electronic gear is (if you haggle) cheaper

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[BlueSkyNick]

Previous Survey

<ok its not my survey and I can't buy the boat on it, but its only a couple of months old...>

I don't see why not - we did, albeit slightly different circumstances. The broker had the boat surveyed to take her in part-ex against a brand new one. She then stayed out of the water all winter and into the spring.

We were provided with a photocopy of the survey, and I spoke directly to the surveyor to query a few points, and to discuss the merits of a repeat survey. He thought it unnecessary and advised that the survey could be re-assigned to us, such that we could sue him if it turned out to be materially wrong - but he preferred that we don't! This didn't cost us anything at all, so saved another fee.

The summary of all this is that I think you can buy the boat based on the survery you have seen, and it can be reassigned to you, but speak to the surveyor first.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

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[eise]

Re: SeaLord/oceanlord confusion?

Have just seen your post's. Was this particular Sealord for sale not a million miles away from the Exe? Recently saw a Sealord Ketch at Dartmouth, unfortunately didn't get chance to inspect closely but it looked very nice.

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