Well done Alister Trotman

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Well done Alister Trotman I didn't realise he had such a talent for cinema set dressing ! He's managed singlehanded or perhaps with the help of a few friends to turn the Center of Kingston into a film set resembling a third world scene from Miss Saigon let's just hope the EA appreciate all his hard unpaid work as much as I'm sure we all do.
 
Yep. If Miss Saigon was a musical about a white middle class dole scrounger, abandoned by her love interest called Swampy, who liked thumping tunes, crapping overboard and paraded around Kingston with a mangy dog on a bit of string, you'd be spot on:(

I wonder what Kingston council are doing about it? They seemed keen to join in when it was a joint operation with LBRuT and the EA, but seem toothless since Trotman moved in on their moorings. Their track record of mooring management is pretty dire, the 24hr moorings by the railway bridge says it all. I asked what they were doing about it and received a reply asking for my EA river licence number!!
 
There are two outside John Lewis now - can they not do anything? Or is it just easier to wait until they move and then it becomes someone else problem.
 
Kingston Council were quick to announce their moving on of a group of serial offenders, declaring that they were playing a game of cat and mouse with the others. 2 years later, it looks like Trotman is the cat and the Council is the mouse.
He's certainly provided a talking point for the John Lewis cafe customers.:disgust:
 
I get mildly annoyed when herring gulls sit on my boat and c**ps on the covers but - hey ho - they are herring gulls and that's what they do and they have no choice in the matter and I try not to let it ruin my day.

Alister Trotman on the other hand get's people to pay him so they can c**p in his boat and discharge it into the river a couple of hundred metres upstream from a children's watersports centre and a sea scouts centre and a couple or rowing and sailing clubs. This frankly makes me livid - not mildly annoyed. And unlike the herring gulls, Alister Trotman is a human being who is making a deliberate choice to be anti-social and put river users and his 'tennants' at risk through disease and fire resepectively.

The local authorities that permit his unlicensed and clearly dabgerous rented accomodation businesses to knowingly continue in their borough should look to how their counterparts are being held to account in a post-grenfell London.

I'm also quite annoyed that we will have to postpone a planned shopping trip to John Lewis for back to school stuff tomorrow as he's taken all the moorings. Compared to the serious problems he's creating however this is a trivial concern. Explaining to my 10yr old that we aren't making the trip as planned because ... yes he's behaving anti-socially and putting others at serious risk but we live in a society where there is no enforcement to stop him ... is more of a fundamental problem.
 
Canbury Gardens have a very active and well connected residents association. He won't be there long.
I reckon he's making his way back to Ham Lands, some of his old chums are there already.
 
If not long is 9 months, I was spot on:D
Slumboat no.1 has moved a couple of hundred yards downstream opposite the bandstand. Trotmans tug was shuffling his assets about. I couldn't see the second slumboat. I heard that the land he was on was owned by e-on and they weren't responding to the local residents. Wether they're in communication with the EA is anyone's guess.
Council Election time is nearly upon us and the only party that has any policy or has answered any queries re illegally moored boats in Kingston and Richmond are the Conservatives. The libs and the greens haven't responded. I'm hoping they'll knock on my door;)
 
I regularly visit Ho Chi Min City where my son has his business. If Kingston upon Thames wants to twin with Ho Chi Min City upon Mekong I am willing to help:D
 
The local Conservatives told a CARA meeting in October that they had the Trotman situation under control and it would all be sorted, don't worry, trust us we are the grown ups just you lot stop asking questions. We can all see the result of their efforts. As for the Lib Dems, they are in opposition and thus have little or no info on the admittedly complicated tangle of laws and bylaws and evasions.
The Kingston tories have had 4 years to sort this, but they have not. Lib Dems could hardly do worse!
 
FinesseChris said:
Both boats have now moved downstream 200m to Canbury Gardens, as of midday Friday, saw them being moved. EA person was sitting in van 100 yards away (something being done to their flow meter) and ignored them.
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That EA person in the van works in flood risk management so wouldn't get involved. It's the waterways team that manage navigational matters. Canbury Gardens isn't EA property so not an EA responsibility however irksome it is.

On another thread, I wonder how the HMO (house in multiple occupation) regulations apply to AT's hotel boats not to mention fire regs. Irrespective of the boat safety scheme, the hulks cannot be lawful in terms of fire and electrical safety for rental accommodation - and I told LB Kingston as well as LB Richmond environmental officers - they chose to do nothing thus putting lives at risk. Shameful. All the councils want to do is displace these boats and give the problem away rather than seek a proper, lasting solution.
 
There was a big fan fare when Kingston, Richmond and the EA joined forces and dragged his hulks towards Penton Hook. That lasted all of five minutes. What went wrong?
 
Actionmat said:
There was a big fan fare when Kingston, Richmond and the EA joined forces and dragged his hulks towards Penton Hook. That lasted all of five minutes. What went wrong?
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Trotman doesn’t play by the rules and is basically brighter/has a bigger set of cojones than the idiotic dimwits that seem to infest the EA and all councils these days.
 
To be honest, having seen the bloke I got the impression that he was acting, on drugs, or a sandwich short of a picnic. Which makes the councils and the EA look even worse:(
 
The EA went beyond incompetence in dealing with Alisdair Trotman. They were complicit in using their resources to actively allow him to continue. Once his hulks had passed through Teddington Lock last year onto the Tidal Thames they actively assisted him by hauling them back upstream. If left below the lock they would have quickly become a hazard to shipping and been hauled down to Gravesend or somewhere for disposal.

If they were NOT deliberately complicit (as it appears they were) then the EA at least owe river users (on shore an water) an explanation for this bizarre intervention and they have never provided one.
 
A FOIA request would yield some interesting information, unless the case is ongoing? To anyone in the area,It looks as if the EA has given up.
 
Lower Limit 1909 said:
The EA went beyond incompetence in dealing with Alisdair Trotman. They were complicit in using their resources to actively allow him to continue. Once his hulks had passed through Teddington Lock last year onto the Tidal Thames they actively assisted him by hauling them back upstream. If left below the lock they would have quickly become a hazard to shipping and been hauled down to Gravesend or somewhere for disposal.

If they were NOT deliberately complicit (as it appears they were) then the EA at least owe river users (on shore an water) an explanation for this bizarre intervention and they have never provided one.
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The EA is constrained by its powers under the Thames Conservancy Acts and the Inland Waterways Order 2010. As navigation authority, the EA cannot stop any vessel from navigating on the non-tidal river, it may only ensure that the vessel and master complies with the acts.

In the case of any vessel, provided it is registered and the fee paid, that is the end of the matter. Should any vessel moor and over stay on EA property then the EA has powers to move the vessel on. The EA may not remove vessels from land that it does not own as it would be acting outside its powers.

The EA hasn't given up, it's merely hamstrung by the laws as they are writ, frustrating as it is. As for explaining to so called customers what it does and why, I've never understood why, as navigation authority, it should justify itself to anyone but DEFRA and certainly not to a handful of noisy boaters who don't like the look of scruffy boats that clog up a few favourite moorings. By all means pop in an FOI but be prepared to wait a month for a response.

The problem won't be resolved until the riparian councils offer long term, residential moorings with proper waste facilities or Environmental Health officers check the hotel boats for compliance.

(Reaches for tin hat) :)
 
Old Crusty said:
As for explaining to so called customers what it does and why, I've never understood why, as navigation authority, it should justify itself to anyone but DEFRA and certainly not to a handful of noisy boaters who don't like the look of scruffy boats that clog up a few favourite moorings.
(Reaches for tin hat) :)
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Well i dont have an opinion on Trottman, so i dont class myself as a "Noisy Boater" (Jeeze you are annoying!) - but as someone that pays the EA nearly a £1000 a year, i do think they are as accountable in the same way as my local council that i also pay money to.
I only wish the crap managament at EA could be voted out like a council.
 
The EA's job is to protect the environment. They've had ten years to train a camera on Trotmans hotels in order to catch them dumping sewage. When the EA gave him a tow through the lock and back onto the non tidal Thames, did anyone check if his sea toilets were sealed, or if he even has a holding tank?
 
Didn’t the EA spend millions and help draft the 2010 IWO ?
I’m surprised you didn’t trot out the old lack of money argument as well Old Crusty.
 
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