Weight of a Maurice Griffiths Cockler?

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I am trying to organise the road transport of a 1955 Griffiths Cockler for restoration. The weight of the vessel is a bit of an issue with the hauliers and I don't know what it is.

Does anyone know or is able to look up the designed displacement of a 25' Cockler? Data for a similar vessel like a Bawley would be useful. Even an informed or calculated guess would be a guide.

Early replies would be especially valued since I am in danger of losing the boat if I cannot organise the moving of her.
 
Well Roach is 22ft, 4ft draft, 7ft beam, raised topides and displaces 3 tons; she is on the heavy side for a 22fter. I reckon you will be looking at a ball park figure of around 3 to 3.5 tons.
 
Dont have the numbers for a cockler or a bawley but

Lone Gull 1 displaces 5.45 tons @ 28.5'
Lone Gull 2 displaces 5.7 tons @ 28'
Those are probably lightship figures so probably deadweight 4.5 tons is about right.
 
While 'Sixty Years a Yacht Designer' talks about the Cockler class it does not give a displacement but a 28ft 6 Tamaris displaces 5.10 tons, a 27ft Kylix displaces 9500lbs and a 28ft Lone Gull II displaces 5.71 tons. I agree with the 4 ton estimate
 
When we transported my pals Cockler up to Manchester.
She was about 4.35 tons that was with all the internal ballast and anything loose removed including the ruder, and she still had a lot of mud in her.
We put her on a Weighbridge and total was 7.6 tons well within the 5% tolerance, wagon empty is 3.25 ton so boat = 4.35 tons.
Have a look here.
 
What a fine forum. Thank you all. It sounds like I can confidently tell the transport co that she is too heavy for a trailer (3ton max) but could be lifted by a lorry's hiab (5ton max). Very useful indeed.
 
So what was the wagon? A lorry? a specialised trailer? I have a particular problem at the destination in that I want to put the boat in a barn with a 10' (3m for modernists) high entrance so I would avoid loading it high on the back of a lorry if I could.
 
In the Feb 09 edition of Classic Boat there is an article covering just this problem, the guy is moving a 46ft steam yacht into a barn and has similar height constraint issues. He gets around it with a combination of greased tracks, a homemade cradle and a tractor. Might be worth a read!
 
Well Wind Song (27'6 x 24' x 8'6 x 2'6), under 4.5 empty and a little over 5.0 with all the junk on board and wet...

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Blxxxy HxLL Those strops are far to close together!! I wish you would keep that piece of national heritage in a responsible boatyard.
I was half expecting 'and heres what happened 10 secs later', and a picture of a pile of matchwood.

Nice legs.
 
Appears to be no spreaders either???? As you say, nice legs! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Whoops sorry sire. Now you mentioned it, the forward strop is usually positioned between the forward pair of chain plates - a foot further forward. They can't go any further apart and still go under the iron ballast keel. (I don't think there was any danger where they were btw.)

The strops and chains are so long that the compression forces are not so large so I really don't think spreaders are necessary in this case.

I made the legs from some treated softwood fence posts. Probably wouldn't be much good for any sort of prolonged use. Plus I need to make some decent feet for them somehow.

If you only knew how much I worry about trying to keep her in good order... Doesn't seem to stop me doing something stoopid though!
 
I arranged transport for my 25' Leigh Cockler (formally known as Golliwog) 2 years ago. On the basis that it was 3 imperial tons I used a trailer behind a lorry. We were a bit shocked that it it loaded the trailer down to its lowest level, but carried on anyway, from the Hamble to Maldon. I think the load was actually 3.5 tons.

The wood was wet, I didn't have time to completely clear water from the bilges, I carried the mast and all the clobber that came with the boat. If I'd cleared everything out, dried it and taken the mast seperately it would probably have been 3 tons.

P.S. I changed the name from Golliwog to the more PC "Jacinta", one of its previous names.

Graham
 
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