webbing jackstays at a sensible price?

[Bosun Higgs]

where? even at J Green they work out at near £75 for two 8 metre ones and at that price I'm tempted to make my own.

local sailmaker not interested for H&S reasons.

any ideas?

 

[Sandyman]

where? even at J Green they work out at near £75 for two 8 metre ones and at that price I'm tempted to make my own.

local sailmaker not interested for H&S reasons.

any ideas?

Who pays such crazy prices. Make your own. Search on ebay under Webbing Strap.

 

[duncan99210]

Try here http://www.force4.co.uk/Search/jackstay/ for a good deal less than the price you quoted......

 

[ithet]

where? even at J Green they work out at near £75 for two 8 metre ones and at that price I'm tempted to make my own.

local sailmaker not interested for H&S reasons.

any ideas?

No surprise there then! I got mine from Force4. Be aware that Jackstays are typically rated for a total of 720 days outside exposure. So you will save more by having them set up to be removed when not in use (obviously without compromising their safety or availability when needed).

 

[PetiteFleur]

I've made my own with Polyester Webbing, sewn eye at each end with a snapshackle so they can be stowed below when not on board, it only takes under a minute to remove them. Does take a little longer to fit them though as you have to stretch them to get them taut. I do have the advantage of an Industrial sewing machine which comes in useful. Before that I hand sewed a pair for my previous boat using whipping twine.

 

[photon]

webbing jackstays

Al the boats we see with webbing jackstays seen to demonstrate the simple fact that webbing, when exposed to a decent wind, will "reed" and vibrate in a very dynamic way.

Is that what you really want?

 

[Ross D]

Make your own, but don't bother sewing them simply tie them with tape knots. We bought a 30m roll of webbing for virtually nothing online.

 

[geoid96]

Al the boats we see with webbing jackstays seen to demonstrate the simple fact that webbing, when exposed to a decent wind, will "reed" and vibrate in a very dynamic way.

Is that what you really want?

As they are not too tight and sit flat on the deck, I have never seen that happen with ours or other boats i've sailed on. My personal feeling is that webbing jackstays are better than rope as the latter tends to roll under the feet when you stand on it.

 

[PetiteFleur]

Al the boats we see with webbing jackstays seen to demonstrate the simple fact that webbing, when exposed to a decent wind, will "reed" and vibrate in a very dynamic way.

Is that what you really want?

Mine don't vibrate at all, even when taut they lie flat on the deck. Even if they did vibrate they are still much better than wire jackstays which WILL roll underfoot!

 

[LONG_KEELER]

Make your own, but don't bother sewing them simply tie them with tape knots. We bought a 30m roll of webbing for virtually nothing online.

Would that have been webbing specifically for jackstays ?

Is there an eye knot for tape ?

Regards,

 

[Sans Bateau]

Webbing off Ebay? DIY sewing? Tape knots? I sincerely hope none of you ever have to explain to a coroners court why you were tight wads when it came to safety equipment. How can any of you be sure your botch ups meet the safety standards required for jack stays.

 

[CaptainBob]

Ours were tight on the last boat, and never "reed"ed.

But on I was always concerned that as they were tight, if they were loaded heavily, perpendicular to their line, at near the midpoint, the resulting tension would be way more than enough to rip the deck fitting out of the deck.

Unlikely scenario though I suppose.

 

[Spyro]

Webbing off Ebay? DIY sewing? Tape knots? I sincerely hope none of you ever have to explain to a coroners court why you were tight wads when it came to safety equipment. How can any of you be sure your botch ups meet the safety standards required for jack stays.

Is there a safety standard for Jackstays?

 

[trapezeartist]

Webbing off Ebay? DIY sewing? Tape knots? I sincerely hope none of you ever have to explain to a coroners court why you were tight wads when it came to safety equipment. How can any of you be sure your botch ups meet the safety standards required for jack stays.

Wot Spyro said!

I would have little concern about eBay webbing, DIY sewing or tape knots, provided sensible care has been taken in the choice and execution. That's nothing different to every other item on board.

HOWEVER I do have a big concern about jackstays laid along side decks which will leave the crew member being dragged along on the waterline should they be unfortunate enough go overboard. Remember the lady who had to jettison her life-jacket way out in the Western Approaches when she was being dragged underwater by her safety line. I also have a concern about someone being hit by a wave on the foredeck and then being swept along the whole length of the boat unrestrained. Whenever possible I use the main sheet where it runs along the bottom of the boom, the most inboard of the coachroof lines or an eye on the mast. I encourage my crew to do the same.

 

[Ross D]

Would that have been webbing specifically for jackstays ?

Is there an eye knot for tape ?

Regards,

The tape you need is UV resistant polyester webbing, tubular is better than flat webbing as it is more resistant to chaffing at the edges. Make sure the breaking strain is about the same as that listed with chandlery jackstays.

Tape knots are basically neatly tied flat overhand knots, they can be threaded for joining tapes or tied double for making a loop. Google "Tape Knot" and there are loads of pics which make it pretty obvious. A tape knot well tied is just as good as a sewn join.

Ross

 

[electrosys]

Webbing off Ebay? DIY sewing? Tape knots? I sincerely hope none of you ever have to explain to a coroners court why you were tight wads when it came to safety equipment. How can any of you be sure your botch ups meet the safety standards required for jack stays.

Jack stays are so bl##dy important I wouldn't trust my life to anything that I hadn't made myself !
"Botch-ups", my arse ... I secure webbing to itself with epoxy - then when set, push a red-hot needle through, and saddle-stitch through the holes thus made. Such terminations are even stronger than those used on lorry tie-down straps, which are rated at 2 tons.

 

[Sandyman]

Webbing off Ebay? DIY sewing? Tape knots? I sincerely hope none of you ever have to explain to a coroners court why you were tight wads when it came to safety equipment. How can any of you be sure your botch ups meet the safety standards required for jack stays.

I kind of object to your comments. Nothing to do with being a tight wad at all.
I can be quite ''sure'', because I made it myself. I have the skills & experience to do so and if & when I do make something it is over made, over engineered if you like, to be far stronger & safer than anything the likes of which you are likely to buy and put your confidence in, from a chandler. You may have faith in mass produced safety equipment. I prefer to look & make my own mind up. Classic example on her today.......in the thread where the poor lady went overboard & lost her life off Bermuda......''a 6mm SS eye for a safety harness bent & started to pull through the deck even though it had a ply backing plate'' (or word to that effect).............Do you consider that to be safe equipment ??
If I installed that eye it would be a minimum of 10mm with a metal backing plate.
All jolly fine talking about safety standards but when I look at what they install in mass produced yachts today, gear that you probably think is safe because ''they'' say it is, then to be honest, I am quite often horrified by the standards I see.

 

[richardsnowstar]

As they are not too tight and sit flat on the deck, I have never seen that happen with ours or other boats i've sailed on. My personal feeling is that webbing jackstays are better than rope as the latter tends to roll under the feet when you stand on it.

+1

 

[Sandyman]

Jack stays are so bl##dy important I wouldn't trust my life to anything that I hadn't made myself !
"Botch-ups", my arse ...

Quite right in my view. If you made it yourself and it fails then you only have yourself to blame. Which is why you make it double strength in the first place.

 

[Enya]

And I would add, use UV resistant thread. It is often the thread that fails before the line.