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BrendanS

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Simon is a bit shy about posting this stuff, for fear of being seen as commercial. I however have no such hang ups! <g>

Conversation at the bar starter 1:

Hi all,

Just thought I'd try out a new idea...a late Sunday/early Monday weather
forecast, discussing the weather of the week ahead, what to look out for
etc. and why it is occuring. It's an idea I've had for a time, but have
decided to do something about today. This is not a forecast as such, but
more a discussion of ideas, similar to the sort of things we talk about
in Weather School. You may find it of use, you may not, but I'd be
pleased to hear your views.


WEEK BEGINNING MONDAY 16TH AUGUST 2004
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HEADLINE: HOW LOW CAN YOU GO...DEPRESSION WON'T LIFT

As a forecaster the week ahead isn't to difficult to predict. All
forecast models are going for low pressure developing to the west of
Ireland, with the remnants of a former hurricane stoking things up
around mid-week. We know then that things will be turning more
unsettled.

The hurricane track has been interesting this year and has been "firing"
the storms out into the western Atlantic, where they have become quite
benign. However, by the time that they get close to UK shores they have
been "pepping up" and forming deeper lows. I'm pondering why this could
be?

Looking at the Sea Surface Temperature Anomaly chart (see
.fnmoc.navy.mil/products/OTIS/US058VMET-GIFwxg.OTIS.glbl_sstanomaly.gif)
there is an area of colder water in the central North Atlantic (by as
much as 4C below normal). Now, this has me thinking. If the cold water
is there then the effect could be that as depression track across it,
there is less convection available to intensify the depression, so the
lows coming across the Atlantic are fairly weak. That is until they
reach the UK shores (or close by) where temperatures are above normal.
This provides the extra energy need to deepen the lows quickly, hence
the reason for the deepening we are going to see this week.

Another reason for the deepening is that as they head south they come
under the influence of the jet stream, enabling deepening to take place,
and then routing towards the UK.

Another thing to note on the anomaly chart is the warmer than normal
water north of the Equator in the western Atlantic. This is hurricane
breeding ground at this time of year, and so with that effect could we
see more hurricanes than usual kicking off? This could have a knock on
effect to our weather over the coming weeksn as more storms are
introuduced to the Atlantic?

Anyhow, for now the model output for this week shows the low pressure
deepening and becoming complex around the UK, so it will never be
particularly good. I'd plump for heavy rain or showers on most days.
Strong winds are also a possibility.

There is little difference between the output of the various national
weather services at present and that is usually a good indication that
things are going according to plan.

Hope that that has been useful and interesting. Let me know what you
think.



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I like the idea. I for one feel there is some voodoo back magic involved in weather forecasting and so would really appreciate learning more about it in a different format to books. What you have just written is very comprehensible even to me.

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This looks like a very good idea. I think it would give me some focus to look at the weather maps for the clues you mention. You never know, some of your knowledge may even rub of on to me. It certainly won't be wasted.

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While Simon's commentary is not much use to me here, that sort of thing is very helpful in my view, especially if it is related to sea level prognosis charts. Unfortunately I do not know of a source for here apart from a commercial arrangement.

Just to help you feel better about your summer the current Cook weather is :

*STORM WARNING IN FORCE* Southerly 65 knots easing to 45 knots this afternoon. Very high sea easing.

Around 8C (cold for us), the big Interisland RoRo ferries are stopped and Wellington Airport is closed.

John

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What's needed them is to get people discussing and talking about it, then Simon might have the motivation to post here regularly (weekly?) with similar discussions. If you ask nicely, he might even do one on NZ?

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Re: Bocastle flooding

More from Simon!.....


Hi Again,

Boscastle certainly is having it's 15 minutes of fame, courtesy of an
amazing rainfall event, which has got a few of you emailing me for my
thoughts on what happened.

I know it was only a couple of days ago that I posted my weeks thoughts,
so apologies for bombarding you with yet another posting, but it's clear
my post, then the events of Monday certainly have turned on your weather
minds to thinking what causes the weather, rather than looking at the
forecasts.

As always when such events happen, the press go to town and dubious
claims are made...don't even get me started on Global Warming, it sends
shivers down my spine everytime the words are mentioned!

It's early days but here's what I think happened, based on the available
evidence. Excuse the spelling mistkaes, doing this in a bit of a rush.

Remember in my Monday posting how I spoke of the above normal sea
temperatures around the UK coasts? Well, those combined with colder air
aloft led to a very unstable atmosphere on Monday. The 1200 GMT sounding
from Cambourne (Cornwall) shows that the cumulonimbus clouds responsible
for Boscastles problems probably had bases around 1500ft, with the tops
to an absolutely staggering 40,000 to 45,000 ft...that's higher than
your average holiday jet flies!!! (No wonder flights were being diverted
around the storms).

Couple this with a slightly onshore SW wind, forcing the air to lift
over high ground southwest of Boscastle and wham...the potential for
mighty storms. And that is exactly what happened.

Looking at the radar picture (use Weatheronline if you can, it has
archive facilities), the storms lasted in the area for around to 5
hours. The pattern is a classic one for forced lifting and storms being
created in the Boscastle catchment area.

Early reports suggested that 60mm of rain had fallen in a couple of
hours. My opinion is that there must have been much more. I'd go or
nearer 120 to 150mm falling in the catchment area.

All in all a big event and one that prodcued some really dramatic
pictures. Thank goodness it appears no-one was hurt or killed.

Problem tonight is that more heavy rain is in SW Cornwall.

Hope this has been of interest to you.

Bye for now,
Simon

Simon Keeling
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Re: Bocastle flooding

BBC weatherman agreed with the above, but he added that there had been two air streams ( a SW and a S ) converging over the Bascastle area that helped the storms developement.
Thinking about it, last week was on safety boat duty Flamouth week, and the water felt quite warm, but put to back of mind due tho other problems at the time.

Brian

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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback, us weathermen are shy you know!

If there's a need for it (and Kim will let me) I'll post these discussions to the forum when issued. Permission asked?

Cheers,
Simon

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I cannot see Kim having any problems with you posting these sorts of things. Intereresting, useful, and non commercial

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