Wearing Lifejackets Whilst Sailing

TradewindSailor

Well-Known Member
Joined
26 Jan 2007
Messages
1,060
Location
New Zealand
Visit site
I have just read the January issue of YM. The letter of the month by Jonathan Winter admonishes YM for not wearing lifejackets in a 'rising force 6'.

Personally I have only donned my lifejacket once in 10 years of full time cruising, and that was in a hurricane when I feared that I would have to abandon my yacht as it was dragging towards a reef and I thought I might have to jump to dry land. In the end the anchor dug in and all was fine.

I have single-handed, and sailed with a small number of crew. I have always made it quite plain to every person on board that if they fall over the side and become detatched from the boat that they a likely to die. It is very difficult to find them even in broad daylight in an ocean swell, and at night it's almost impossible. If you have 10 crew it may be another matter .... but short-handed, travelling at 8 to 15 knots with a spinnaker up makes the chance of recovery very remote.

I advocate using a safety harness when conditions warrant it. I have two lanyards on all the harnesses on the boat so there is no excuse not to be unclipped. At other times I train my crew not to hold onto the guardrails and to use hand-holds towards the mid-line of the boat. There are always plenty of handholds, and jacklines are set up well inside of the gunwhales so that it is impossible for anyone who is clipped on to get more that their feet wet.

It is very important to learn how to move around on a boat, keeping one hand for the yacht at all times. Likewise each member of the crew must be told of the dangerous areas like the foredeck and in way of loaded sheets, etc..

For me, unless I am transferring to another vessel or land, life jackets are a liability for the following reasons:
1 The permanent foam type are too bulky and get in the way,
2 The inflateable variety are unreliable: they can fail to inflate, they can split on inflation, and they can be set off in a rain storm,
3 All life jackets give a false sense of security. You might float in the water, but you can still drown, die from hyperthermia or exposure, and are completely useless at keeping you where you should be - on the boat.

I guess this might provoke some adverse reaction ....... but it is my experience of 40 years of sailing in dinghies and yachts. I have only had one crew fall over the side and that was on a dinghy where you are expected to get your weight as far over the edge as possible. This is simply not the case with a cruiser.
 
I agree that its not falling overboard that matters. Nearly all automatic life jackts now come with integral harnesses and that is why most people wear them. Why buy two items when you can buy one that does both jobs.

Its no big deal - loads of people don't wear them, loads do.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
For me, unless I am transferring to another vessel or land, life jackets are a liability for the following reasons:
1 The permanent foam type are too bulky and get in the way,
2 The inflateable variety are unreliable: they can fail to inflate, they can split on inflation, and they can be set off in a rain storm,
3 All life jackets give a false sense of security. You might float in the water, but you can still drown, die from hyperthermia or exposure, and are completely useless at keeping you where you should be - on the boat..

What a load of rubbish. How come such an expert on lifejackets when never used them. Modern lifejackets are generally excellent, comfortable and reliable - certaily none of ours has ever gone off in a rainstorm, though I know it is theoretically possible

Remember to take your seatbelt off when in the car - and preferably attach a blade to the stering wheel - as these safety features also will give you a "false sense of security"
 
I'd go along with that, but the Mexican H&S may not be as virulent as the English species. The RNLI are running a campaign about lifejackets that says "Useless unless worn".

It is similar to the original Clunk-click safety campaign for car seatbelts which must now be worn or you will be fined. Motorcycle helmets are also compulsory. British people are forbidden from taking what our government see as "Risks". We are clearly not really capable of assessing risk for ourselves it seems.

Fortunately, Lifejackets are not yet compulsory here, - but they are in Ireland. It would be interesting to see statistics that showed if there was a benefit or not, (the bike crash helmets law had lots of supporting stats) but as far as I can tell, no such statistics have ever been taken.
 
I have just read the January issue of YM. The letter of the month by Jonathan Winter admonishes YM for not wearing lifejackets in a 'rising force 6'.

Personally I have only donned my lifejacket once in 10 years of full time cruising, and that was in a hurricane when I feared that I would have to abandon my yacht as it was dragging towards a reef and I thought I might have to jump to dry land. In the end the anchor dug in and all was fine.

I have single-handed, and sailed with a small number of crew. I have always made it quite plain to every person on board that if they fall over the side and become detatched from the boat that they a likely to die. It is very difficult to find them even in broad daylight in an ocean swell, and at night it's almost impossible. If you have 10 crew it may be another matter .... but short-handed, travelling at 8 to 15 knots with a spinnaker up makes the chance of recovery very remote.

I advocate using a safety harness when conditions warrant it. I have two lanyards on all the harnesses on the boat so there is no excuse not to be unclipped. At other times I train my crew not to hold onto the guardrails and to use hand-holds towards the mid-line of the boat. There are always plenty of handholds, and jacklines are set up well inside of the gunwhales so that it is impossible for anyone who is clipped on to get more that their feet wet.

It is very important to learn how to move around on a boat, keeping one hand for the yacht at all times. Likewise each member of the crew must be told of the dangerous areas like the foredeck and in way of loaded sheets, etc..

For me, unless I am transferring to another vessel or land, life jackets are a liability for the following reasons:
1 The permanent foam type are too bulky and get in the way,
2 The inflateable variety are unreliable: they can fail to inflate, they can split on inflation, and they can be set off in a rain storm,
3 All life jackets give a false sense of security. You might float in the water, but you can still drown, die from hyperthermia or exposure, and are completely useless at keeping you where you should be - on the boat.

I guess this might provoke some adverse reaction ....... but it is my experience of 40 years of sailing in dinghies and yachts. I have only had one crew fall over the side and that was on a dinghy where you are expected to get your weight as far over the edge as possible. This is simply not the case with a cruiser.

Good to see that the new year hasn't seen an end to people talking b*ll*cks
 
Reply to Tradewinds

Quote I guess this might provoke some adverse reaction . Unquote

Not from me, it won't. It's a matter for you to decide.

If my head feels cold - I put a hat on ( a Breton cap if I wish). If I feel hungry - I eat something. If I want to see a blue ensign - I fly one. If I feel unsafe without a lifejacket - I wear one.

Personal choice - long may it last!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Quote I guess this might provoke some adverse reaction . Unquote

Not from me, it won't. It's a matter for you to decide.

If I feel cold without a hat on - I put one on. If I feel hungry - I eat something. If I want to see a blue ensign - I fly one. If I feel unsafe without a lifejacket - I wear one.

Personal choice - long may it last!

the DogsBollox
 
Next they will be telling anybody walking near the sea to wear a LJ. Bloody legislation again. I hate it. Go anywhere abroad and try and spot a yachtie wearing one!
 
Everyone here knows that every summer we get some Lower Level idiots who fancy themselves at a bit of a boaty thing... load up some 15ft 30 year old fletcher with their 10 year old son, brother in law, mate from the pub, and girlfriend, then put out to sea for a day of carling and bass, and end up getting fished out from the beach a cold and stiff corpse... the only survivor being the 10 year old who happened to be the one wearing the lifejacket....

Its not the experienced sailor who has the problems... though try telling that to Chris Evans whose skipper was knocked overboard in the solent off a Swan 37 and ended up unconcious and face down and very dead.... when sailing... though how many of our comrades have been lost on the dinghy after a night on the tiles...

I dunno, I hate these threads... for the simple reason that we wear a LJ all the time.. and these sorts of threads only really help to make me feel like a idiot for doing so... I wonder how many have drowned because they felt foolish for wearing a lifejacket because "They get in the way of the real sailor" or wearing one "is a infringment of my civil liberties....
 
And your experience Is :confused:

Fair question. The experience is unfortunate and unpleasant I'm afraid, involving too many searches over too many years for the bodies of people lost overboard, and often not wearing L/Js. (and that's all I'm prepared to say about it on a public forum)
 
I dunno, I hate these threads... for the simple reason that we wear a LJ all the time.. and these sorts of threads only really help to make me feel like a idiot for doing so... I wonder how many have drowned because they felt foolish for wearing a lifejacket because "They get in the way of the real sailor" or wearing one "is a infringment of my civil liberties....

I agree but i'm of the opposite persuasion, i've only worn a l/j twice (in about 8 years), when the race commitee decided for me!

I don't like threads like these because there are too many wingers saying we "have to" be wearing them and it should be compulsory.

This isn't meant at you personally at all.

I ALWAYS brief new and inexperienced crew on the boat on how to use one, explain it doesn't look daft and then point out other people who are wearing them just to make the crew realise it isn't a no no at all, at the end of the day i always leave it to personal choice EXCEPT if i'm wearing one, everyone is.
 
Do you lot sleep wearing one? I reckon once on board there is a very slim chance of going overboard while clipped on (well on our boat) Who wears one on the pontoon walking to the boat? especially now while its icy?
 
Top