Watching a "near miss"

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Yesterday evening, just before sunset my wife and I were watching the waves at Portland Bill when we spotted a German flagged aluminium yacht, about 40', making her way under motor round the Bill, about 250m offshore and trying to head up the eastern side of Portland.

Conditions were very difficult. There was a strong westerly wind (measured at 30-45 kts at Portland Harbour) with a large confused and breaking sea quickly building up against the strengthening ebb tide. There was no safe inshore passage last night!

We kept the yacht under observation through binoculars. There was one person at the helm throughout, who was struggling to steer in those conditions. On two occasions we saw the yacht overtaken by breaking waves, broached through 90 degrees and knocked down; however it recovered quickly and was soon back on course. We drove slowly up the coast and kept watching until, with some relief, we saw that the yacht was in calmer conditions, still motoring hard against the tide.

Clearly the yacht was in the wrong place at the wrong time so I'm not really looking for a discussion about the wisdom or otherwise of their choice of the inshore passage in this wind and tide. What surprised me most was that it was under engine only, despite appearing to be well equipped, with sails furled and stowed. Of course I've no idea whether the sails could not be used or whether this was the best judgement of the skipper. What are members' views about the best tactics in such an extreme situation? Using a small headsail would have increased their speed quite a lot. Would it have made the boat handling more difficult in such wind and steep seas?

I imagine the skipper and crew slept very well when they finally got in!
 

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It's not easy to give an opinion without knowing the exact situation on board the yacht at the time. One person at the helm? Mmm? Rest of the crew prostrate with sea sickness and the headsail furler jambed perhaps?= one left to steer.
Personally it would have been some sail up for me, just to steady the boat...having said that I'm too chicken to go inside under those conditions anyway..:D I would have been 7 miles off under sail..:encouragement:
 

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You really need a small sail either headsail or a very deep reef on the main to give you stability; without the sail it will broach easily and difficult to steer; however, you will no catch me out in these conditions nowadays.
 

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Fairly sure I'd have unrolled some headsail too. If the wind was astern and the boat being thrown around I'd probably have kept the main stowed, to avoid involuntary gybes. Not sure how much steadying force a jib would provide with the wind aft, but it might help keep the bow in the right direction (downwind), would give a bit of free speed to get through the nasties sooner, and like Stemar I start to get twitchy about relying 100% on the engine in tight places. Could be a pot, could be stirred up crud blocking the filter, could be an overheat due to unaccustomed load.

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Some sail is ideal, reefed main for me but I don't have furling and you can tack without sheeting. You may need crew to handle it though, so were there any crew? were they young, unfit or seasick?
 

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I would have alerted the coast guard, as they always say better to contact them early even if they are not required

In hindsight it may have been prudent. I had the phone out ready, however the boat then got into less turbulent water so we decided to keep a watch.

This incident makes me ponder the wisdom of the proposed removal of the Portland helicopter. If things had gone badly wrong eg a MOB the flying time from Lee-on-Solent is a lot longer than from just over the hill.
 

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A bit of sail up in 35 knots of breeze, they'd have been in the pub before the ebb kicked up a sea.
A bit of jib and the motor idling in neutral would be my choice if it went bad downwind though.
I've been in the position of needing a bit of motor because the heavily reefed sails don't do anything in the troughs of the waves.
 

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I would have alerted the coast guard, as they always say better to contact them early even if they are not required

Perhaps you would enlighten me as to what good that would do? The yacht was not in distress. What does the coastguard do with your information other than declare a full emergency and waste everyone's time and money? He can't sit on your report for fear that he will be blamed if anything goes wrong.
 

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A bit of sail up in 35 knots of breeze, they'd have been in the pub before the ebb kicked up a sea.
A bit of jib and the motor idling in neutral would be my choice if it went bad downwind though.
I've been in the position of needing a bit of motor because the heavily reefed sails don't do anything in the troughs of the waves.
+1, boat probably faster and much more stable under half headsail, might never have broached, and less chance of getting a pot buoy round prop, engine in neutral though in case it was needed.
 

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+1, boat probably faster and much more stable under half headsail, might never have broached, and less chance of getting a pot buoy round prop, engine in neutral though in case it was needed.

Was in similar situation once coming around a headland (start pt) and underestimated the conditions. I had exactly that. Half to three qtrs jib and engine going ready to support. I had a double reefed main to start but the gusts just kept hitting us. So dropped this (all over the deck) and just kept the jib. When we came into more sheltered water the relief and sense of achievement was great. Glad the yacht caught at Portland got through ok.
 

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Perhaps you would enlighten me as to what good that would do? The yacht was not in distress. What does the coastguard do with your information other than declare a full emergency and waste everyone's time and money? He can't sit on your report for fear that he will be blamed if anything goes wrong.

The coast guard would welcome the heads up without necessarily declaring a full emergency. In this type of situation they may task one of their mobile auxiliaries to have a look at the scene. They would probably contact the National Coastwatch station at Portland to see if they had a view and position fix. They can also brief the local life boat that there may be a shout coming up before actually declaring the emergency. Everyone is more than happy to stand down if the situation resolves itself. If you think you see a potential problem, then give them a call.
 

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The coast guard would welcome the heads up without necessarily declaring a full emergency. In this type of situation they may task one of their mobile auxiliaries to have a look at the scene. They would probably contact the National Coastwatch station at Portland to see if they had a view and position fix. They can also brief the local life boat that there may be a shout coming up before actually declaring the emergency. Everyone is more than happy to stand down if the situation resolves itself. If you think you see a potential problem, then give them a call.

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The coast guard would also contact the vessel and ask if they could be of assistant, and would ask them to give regular updates of progress
As a RNLI launch authority we have no problem being informed and being on standby, just in case. I can think of several accations where a skipper has been contacted and accepts help where left to himself he would not
 

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Opinions?

A small amount of headsail out, but sheeted hard in on both sheets. Purpose, to immediately knock the bow back downwind if she starts to round up in either direction.

Thanks Ken, this is an interesting idea, rather like a reversed riding sail, and one I haven't heard before. However I'm not sure whether this would have an advantage over a scrap of headsail properly trimmed, which would be likely have the same effect of knocking the bow back downwind in a broach, even if it went aback, and would be more efficient in supplementing the engine in driving the boat through the waves when heading down wind.
 

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Had a similar experience last July going from Braye to Cherbourg.

Forcast was 4-5, moderate , good. Found we had a 28knts gusting 32/34 from the NE with the tide going E. Despite being well off the top of the Raz the wind over tide was impressive.

Our cutter rig allowed full staysail, engine at 1750 RPM.

With the tide going our way we often had 8/9knts showing SOG.

It was a wild ride for 3 hours untill we got a bit of a lee from Barfleur.

It would have been much worse without the steadying effect of the staysail.
 

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Had a similar experience last July going from Braye to Cherbourg.

Despite being well off the top of the Raz



It was a wild ride for 3 hours untill we got a bit of a lee from Barfleur.
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The raz?
Bafleur?

That is a bit like going to London from Southend via Brighton
Still doing it in 3 hours is a bit like the old London to Brighton train film - they did that in 4 minutes
 
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