volvo parts not expensive

[Freebee]

At the risk of stirring the pot even more I would like to put another spin on things. It has been said that OE parts are expensive. Why is that?
The OE manufacturer has to bear all the design and development costs of evolving the parts.
Pattern parts suppliers will simply buy a copy of the part and make a chinese copy, they dont develope they dont engineer, they miss that part out and simply put it on the shelf cheaper.

The parts could be made in china ,taiwan any where the labour is cheap, they don't use the same manufacturing techniques, they dont care particularly about quality, so long as it looks right and it fits. They may not even use the same materials. Somebody mentioned how they bought cheap windscreen wipers for thier car sure they looke right, but will they perform, will they last as long, the buyer does not know so six months later will his cheap pattern parts still be clearing the rain away the buyer does not know.

My point is its buyer beware, if you buy and fit pattern parts know the risk you may be taking! You may be invalidating a warranty for one thing.

You might be spoiling the ship for the hapeth of tar or something like that!!

 

[halcyon]

It's all the bits that Volvo did not design, some one else does all the design and development work, and still they charge the same mark-up. But then then Joe Public is not alone, the OE boat builders are treated just the same by Volvo.

Brian

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I dont think anyone is talking about copy parts. The point is that manufacturers charge more money for the same part when it is installed in a boat compared to when it is installed in something else like a truck and thats wrong

 

[tripleace]

Attention VP spare part dealers

We obviously have VP looking at this forum as well as key parts and others.

Lets have a proper comparison from all out their selling part:

200hp is around the normal spec for many boats in the 30ft class and for that reason:


AD41A DP & TAMB 60B are two very popular diesel engines fitted to many boats

Price this lot up if you dare:

OIL FILTER

AIR FILTER

FUEL FILTER

ANODE SET:
Salt Water:
Freash water:

WATER PUMP

FAN BELTS

HEAD GASKET SET (decoke)

Complete set of Engine Hoses (not outdrive)

STARTER MOTOR

I challenge the Volvo and other brand dealers out there to give us their normal selling prices.

Lets see if VP are expensive or competitive:

www.cleverdic.co.uk

 

[poter]

Oh dear, some one else who has been bamboozled…….

Certainly I agree that as the OEM there would be some additional cost for all the R&D but I don't think that the argument holds up when they are selling parts that are clearly not of their manufacture. The dealer network/OEM bullshit is that - as they are the original suppliers they are the only ones who can do a job correctly & of course it costs that much more because they have that much higher overheads, not to mention profit.

It is all a part of the conspiracy to get the British to pay in some cases as much as 60% more. And the reason quite simply is because we are that much more passive and are not willing to make a complaint. You can bet that British/European manufacture's watch forums like this just in case it actually gets out into the wider world, also where there is public awareness and pressure they can not make such outrageous profits.
The more crap you put up with the more crap you are going to get.

Just compare the prices that we pay here to the states, and please don't come up with the argument that they have more buying power because of the increase in customer base. When you take into account, that it is often much further to ship and/or the US cost of labour for manufacture, why is it in some cases up to 60% cheaper there?

I drive a Volvo 850 estate and I paid a premium for it, because it is a very safe and reliable car, but I do not want to go on & on paying, certainly if it came down to items like brakes and tyres I would only purchase original equipment, but not necessarily with a Volvo stamp on it.

It is also a mistake to rubbish the far eastern manufacture's, that’s what happened in the 50's & 60's over Japanese cars, now they manufacture some of the best cars of their type in the world, also a lot cheaper.

Poter.

‘ I don’t have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem ‘

 

[Guest]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

All of the listed parts I can source at other places you dont need to buy genuine vp to get quality, vp dont even make most of the parts anyway, bosch make all the fuel equipment and well known makers supply all the filters, as for electrical bits Bosch and valeo make them for vp, you just have to lok at each component and read what it says on them, some engines are truck derived but some are purely built for the marine market only, this is where people get confused and jump the gun, start slagging them off when vp have purely put money into developing a pure marine engine, the other thing is that half the boatbuilders in this country would not be in business if vp were not around.

As a private boat owning idividual marine engineer I would honestly say that people can do a lot worse than not to buy a vp engined boat, although from this forum people can clearly see where the slip ups occur I have first hand knowledge of this, see my latest reply about the engine swap, if vp treat the small claims better then I am sure that they will only get more praise from the forum members, I hope they are watching !.

Paul js.

 

[tripleace]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

price it up then

 

[Guest]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

If I did it would have to have a markup for me as I need to eat as much as anyone, but if you want a quote then send me the model no of your engines through a pm, I will then get back to you.

Paul js.

 

[tripleace]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

price up including your margin. I agree everyone has to live and have an income. thats what its all about.

opportunity to shown (without disclosing your source) what can be bought and at what price.

might even get you some business??

 

[Guest]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Yes I can do this but vp will not be interested because they are not genuine filters etc so according to them it is not really serious compettition, we all like to save a bit but most of us only do a service once a year, I have just done a big overhaul on 2 41a series engines and had some info on cost to dealer prices, I can tell you in good faith that the dealer margins are not that great on some items, so this is probably why the bits do come to us a a rate we dont really want to pay, ahhh the joys of boating, I will put a few fast moving prices on the forum agains vp retail just to see what the reaction might be, but now im looking for a newer boat so im of surfing,

Paul js.

 

[lanason]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

How much for a fan belt for an AQ170c (1979ish) ???
cus I need a new one.

Adrian

Don't call me "Ian"
Cleopatra - yellow hull called Court Jester. Have you seen her ?

 

[tr7v8]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

As I've said elsewhere, take it to a decent motor factors and they'll measure it and give you a replacement. People like FAI etc. do 100's of different sizes, it is very unlikely that their will not be an equivalent.
As regards pattern parts, most of the decent ones these days are supplied by the people that supply the engine manufacturer. eg/ A water pump is likely to have been dsigned, manufatured and supplied by someone like Quinton Hazell, that item can be supplied by anyone not just VolmercYan etc.....

 

[lanason]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Yep thanks for your original post - however this item seemed like a useful "test" for forum.
Anyway my current belt is firmly attached to the engine which is 100 miles away :-((((

Adrian

Don't call me "Ian"
Cleopatra - yellow hull called Court Jester. Have you seen her ?

 

[BarryH]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Where you keeping the boat. Did you take it down to Redcliffe? Or you got it somewhere else down that way.

Wha'dya mean "I'm always playing with this engine" its the only way to get it to run!

 

[lanason]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Not its not at Redcliffe - its at Milford Haven. I've spent most of today searching the net for a Land Cruiser to tow it !!!!!

Adrian

Don't call me "Ian"
Cleopatra - yellow hull called Court Jester. Have you seen her ?

 

[BarryH]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Get a Range Rover, You'll spend less and get a much better car, Cheaper to service, parts and insure etc. I use one for towing and its unbeatable. Friend of mine borrowed it and ended up selling his Jap 4WD and buying a RR. Ok their not a gimmiky as a lot of the Jap ones, but at least you get a car that you know you can sell on easily and not loose much money.

Wha'dya mean "I'm always playing with this engine" its the only way to get it to run!

 

[lanason]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Sadly th RR (Range Rover (and Rolls Royce come to that)) only comes in 5 seat model and with 4 kids plus me and SWMBO that gives a problem. Nice idea though.

Adrian

Don't call me "Ian"
Cleopatra - yellow hull called Court Jester. Have you seen her ?

 

[coliholic]

Re: Attention VP spare part dealers

Oh have a look at the Disco then 7 seats too. My brother's a big fan of them and has just bought his fourth and I've always taken the piss out him and called it his lorry and made smart arse comments about only needing a 4x4 to go to Tesco's ands stuff, however today had to change my tune.

Finally got rid of my old non MOT'd XJS and the guy who bought it lives in Oxford so arranged to borrow a trailer and tow it over there for him earlier today. Big proper 4 wheel trailer, and with the XJS on I guess it must have weighed in at over 2 tonnes? Got to say how impressed I was at the ease at which Bro's Disco towed that lot. Drove just like normal, kept up with all the traffic on the single carriageway roads and round the million roundabouts of Milton Keynes. 70 odd miles and he popped it up to just over 70 on the A6 Bedford bypass with no trouble at all.

Hitching up was impressive, it's got electric (or maybe hydraulic??) levelling, so for hitching up just press a remote control thingy and the back end of the Disco drops down to make hitching up a doddle. Auto ride levelling, apparantly senses the best ride height and automatically adjusts for that too. Diesel, auto and with cruise control and he reckoned he was getting 24mpg. Pretty impressive.

Lotta money though, but if I were going to be towing regularly, think I'd be sorely tempted.

 

[hlb]

Re: AAhh But But!!

When I towed out. I did it behind my Trooper. It went like , Sh*t off a shovel and with two tons behind it. It didn't stop. But thats another story. And 28 mpg as well!! got a merc now, it likes straight lines and motorways but does 40 to the gallon on diesel, Dont need no gear boxes or nothing. No clogged up fuel pipes. No broken engine mounts. Just thought I'd pass this on.

No one can force me to come here-----------
----- I'm a Volunteer!!!

Haydn

 

[Guest]

Try Blankenberge.

Try the Chandlers in Blankenberge, the were a minimum of 20% cheaper last year I bought a whole load of spares for my 61's and they,I beleive are volvoagents.
i will be going back this year.