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Just bought fuel filter from main volvo agent £17 inc . Went to partco car factors same filter £6 ! inc. same manufacturer . A case for Watchdog don't you think!
Geoffs
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Sadly it seems that the marine industry assumes that boat owners are wealthy, and can stand such charges. It's a well known marketing ploy - you charge what you think the market will stand. Getting back to dear old Soltron, no matter how good it is, I can't believe a bit of enzyme in kerosene costs £60 a litre to make (less VAT & reasonable profit).
I suspect even Watchdog would take the line 'You boat owners are a wealthy lot, you can stand it'.
I suspect even Watchdog would take the line 'You boat owners are a wealthy lot, you can stand it'.
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Blimey even thats a rip off ,try autojumbles or for example if the same filter fits a Landrover go to one of the mail order companys
Today I went to Partco for a clutch master cylinder for my Landrover they quoted £42.00 plus vat
I got the same item including vat, next day postage at £22.90
early fuel filters the standard lucas ac cooper ones fitted to just about every British engine cost just over a £1.00
The later types lucas 596 not much more
companys like John craddocks or Paddocks both sell stuff like this
Mick
Today I went to Partco for a clutch master cylinder for my Landrover they quoted £42.00 plus vat
I got the same item including vat, next day postage at £22.90
early fuel filters the standard lucas ac cooper ones fitted to just about every British engine cost just over a £1.00
The later types lucas 596 not much more
companys like John craddocks or Paddocks both sell stuff like this
Mick
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In days of yore when I did my own servicing on two AQ125's, I discovered quickly that the local Volvo garage did the same filters, points, plugs, etc at about one third of the price of the Volvo marine dealer. I then discovered that Halfords were about half the price of the garage and then that the local motor factors were 2/3 the cost of Halfords. Adding all that up meant that a filter which cost £12 at the time from Volvo Marine was obtainable for about £1.80 from the motor factors who presumably were making a profit at that level. I have the copy invoices to prove it!
Experience tells me now that if you can choose (which can be difficult if you are in the second hand boat market like most of us) it is best to try for a marine engine which is based on some commercial use as in a truck or bus or the like. If you are stuck with a purpose built marine diesel as opposed to a conversion of a commercial engine, then you will pay through the nose becomes of the relatively small production runs.
Nick
Experience tells me now that if you can choose (which can be difficult if you are in the second hand boat market like most of us) it is best to try for a marine engine which is based on some commercial use as in a truck or bus or the like. If you are stuck with a purpose built marine diesel as opposed to a conversion of a commercial engine, then you will pay through the nose becomes of the relatively small production runs.
Nick
jfm
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Re: small production runs
Yes, although you would think that even a purpose built small production run marine diesel would still use standard parts as far as possible. With something like a filter whose exact spec is not exactly mission-critical, you wd think they wd make do with a standard filter from one of the filter manufacturers, rather than commission a small-production-run filter from scratch. In which case you just need to find out who makes the same filter in "unbranded" form. Which is difficult I spose unless you get lucky??
JFM
Yes, although you would think that even a purpose built small production run marine diesel would still use standard parts as far as possible. With something like a filter whose exact spec is not exactly mission-critical, you wd think they wd make do with a standard filter from one of the filter manufacturers, rather than commission a small-production-run filter from scratch. In which case you just need to find out who makes the same filter in "unbranded" form. Which is difficult I spose unless you get lucky??
JFM
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Re: small production runs
If you have a small number of engines to recover your costs from, you still badge the standard bits and charge through the nose for them.
I thought you would have known that!
Nick
If you have a small number of engines to recover your costs from, you still badge the standard bits and charge through the nose for them.
I thought you would have known that!
Nick
eddieperkins
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Re: small production runs
Go to http://www.fleetguard.com/en/catalog/index.jhtml
put in your part number on the catalogue search and they will give you their part number. You can then cross reference at you local supplier.
Regards,
Eddie
Go to http://www.fleetguard.com/en/catalog/index.jhtml
put in your part number on the catalogue search and they will give you their part number. You can then cross reference at you local supplier.
Regards,
Eddie
byron
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Re: small production runs
Thanks Eddy! very useful, very useful indeed.
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Thanks Eddy! very useful, very useful indeed.
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I see this every day, can get any volvo filter not genuine for about half price and some cat stuff too.
Paul.
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Col
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Try Real steel in Uxbridge for V8 petrol parts,they do water pumps,gskts,filters etc:
e.g. Approx £ 90 for GM marine water pump!
e.g. Approx £ 90 for GM marine water pump!
syd
New member
I had the same experience with Volspec and(slightly less rippy offy) Keypart,. Bought four fuel filters @ eleven quid each from them , went to Edmunds Walker for a truck part and found exactly the same filters in exactly the same packaging for £1.20 each. Lets get Ann Robinson on the case, or is it us that are the weakest link.
Will_M
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Re: VP rip-off?? BORING, BORING....
What was that an 861447 for £16.99inc?
It has to be said there are pros & cons concerning the age old question of do you buy genuine parts or not.
I suppose the price issue is the main reason people opt to, eg, go to their local autofactors for a fuel filter etc etc.
Unfortunately that same ‘shopper’ may not be aware of the steady reduction over the last few years of main manufacture part prices. Although not yet to the level of the local autofactors, nor will it ever likely be for the key factors concerning volume and support.
But surely this same old “such & such an engine parts costs to much” statement is getting alittle old and boring now.
Why……? Well people can’t be so narrow minded to buy a boat/engine combination and not look at the running costs and then be surprised at, eg, £17- for a part…
Stopped moaning about it, go to Watchdog, it will never change by just talking about it.
What was that an 861447 for £16.99inc?
It has to be said there are pros & cons concerning the age old question of do you buy genuine parts or not.
I suppose the price issue is the main reason people opt to, eg, go to their local autofactors for a fuel filter etc etc.
Unfortunately that same ‘shopper’ may not be aware of the steady reduction over the last few years of main manufacture part prices. Although not yet to the level of the local autofactors, nor will it ever likely be for the key factors concerning volume and support.
But surely this same old “such & such an engine parts costs to much” statement is getting alittle old and boring now.
Why……? Well people can’t be so narrow minded to buy a boat/engine combination and not look at the running costs and then be surprised at, eg, £17- for a part…
Stopped moaning about it, go to Watchdog, it will never change by just talking about it.
Scubadoo
Well-known member
Many years ago I used to service my own car, I used buy the cheap filters from Halford. Then one day I visited my local car dealer to find the same filter BUT the internal arrangement was different - i.e. it had a condenser. Not being an expert in this and not really knowing the difference I'd played safe and used the dealer filter.
So my point - if you can buy the same Volvo filter for £2 - is it really the same, it might fit etc but what about the internal layout of the filter, does this harm the engine/oil.
RM.
So my point - if you can buy the same Volvo filter for £2 - is it really the same, it might fit etc but what about the internal layout of the filter, does this harm the engine/oil.
RM.
byron
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Hi Richard, I take what you say on board (pun intended) but surely all a filter does is prevent the bogies getting through. Ergo a filter filters. Maybe someone here will reinforce what you say. In the meanwhile I will buy cheapo's
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Re: VP rip-off?? BORING, BORING....
The filter i bought from the factors was exactly the same brand (fleetguard) as volvo agent not an inferior filter!
The filter i bought from the factors was exactly the same brand (fleetguard) as volvo agent not an inferior filter!
Chris_d
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Some oil filters are fitted with a sort of non return valve, this holds the oil back in your engine oil galleries when it is turned off, this helps to maintain some oil pressure and lubrication when you restart the engine.
I believe 50% of engine wear or some such scary figure, occours in the first 30seconds after a cold start while the oil is cold and not being properly circulated, so it is desirable to fit original spec filters.
Some cheap filters lack this non return valve, although some engines will have the valve built into the filter assembly so any old filter will suffice.
I believe 50% of engine wear or some such scary figure, occours in the first 30seconds after a cold start while the oil is cold and not being properly circulated, so it is desirable to fit original spec filters.
Some cheap filters lack this non return valve, although some engines will have the valve built into the filter assembly so any old filter will suffice.
