VAT EU supplied (Ireland) yacht in 2000 now in UK and here since 2018, so before Brexit

[Racecruiser]

I can't see any threads that help here - my call to HMRC has not been returned and I'm not an RYA member!

My understanding is if I get a copy VAT invoice showing VAT paid in Ireland in 2001 then I have what I need to keep UK and EU tax and other authorities off my back. Any useful comments and expertise welcome, thank you.

I realise I need to carry title docs of course.

 

[Irish Rover]

My understanding you have UK VAT paid status, but not EU, assuming your boat was in the UK on B day 31/12/20

 

[Tranona]

Correct under the terms of the withdrawal agreement. While it is nice to have a copy of the original invoice it is not essential. However it would be useful to have evidence that the boat was in the UK on B day - a copy of the berthing or storage invoice plus anything else to show it has been in the UK since 2020.

 

[Seven Spades]

You shoujdl have EU and UK tax paid status. When you take your EU bvoat backl to the EU you shoiudl bve able to get RGR. The UK has a three year rule which is not enforced, As an Irish boat had you been in Antigua instead of the UK you woudl nbiot be freting the Fact theat you were in the UK over Brexit day really ois not an issue for you. Brexit day nonsense only really affrects UK boats.

 

[dunedin]

I am no expert, but why wouldn’t the boat have lost EU VAT status due to being in the UK on Brexit date, and not having returned to EU within 3 years so RGR clock has run out? UK VAT status should be fine..
My boat was EU paid in France but in UK since 2017 so surely similar position?

 

[Tranona]

You shoujdl have EU and UK tax paid status. When you take your EU bvoat backl to the EU you shoiudl bve able to get RGR. The UK has a three year rule which is not enforced, As an Irish boat had you been in Antigua instead of the UK you woudl nbiot be freting the Fact theat you were in the UK over Brexit day really ois not an issue for you. Brexit day nonsense only really affrects UK boats.

No - not with that history. RGR in EU land is only available for 3 years - and is only available if the boat is still in the same ownership. There is now no time limit in the UK, but the eU still has the formal 3 year with local discretion.

 

[Irish Rover]

@Racecruiser
I recommend reading reading this article which, I believe, sets out the position in detail in simple enough language
The Other Side of Brexit – VAT & Customs - Berthon International

 

[dunedin]

No - not with that history. RGR in EU land is only available for 3 years - and is only available if the boat is still in the same ownership. There is now no time limit in the UK, but the eU still has the formal 3 year with local discretion.

That’s what I thought, but your first post on here, #3, seemed to say the OP would still have both UK and EU VAT status.
- OP “if I get a copy VAT invoice showing VAT paid in Ireland in 2001 then I have what I need to keep UK and EU tax
- Tranona - “Correct”
Is it worth you reviewing / clarifying post #3?

 

[Irish Rover]

That’s what I thought, but your first post on here, #2, seemed to say the OP would still have both UK and EU VAT status.
- OP “if I get a copy VAT invoice showing VAT paid in Ireland in 2001 then I have what I need to keep UK and EU tax
- Tranona - “Correct”
Is it worth you reviewing / clarifying post #2?

Do you have me on ignore?

 

[Tranona]

That’s what I thought, but your first post on here, #2, seemed to say the OP would still have both UK and EU VAT status.
- OP “if I get a copy VAT invoice showing VAT paid in Ireland in 2001 then I have what I need to keep UK and EU tax
- Tranona - “Correct”
Is it worth you reviewing / clarifying post #2?

He did not ask specifically about status - but you are right I should have made the distinction clearer. The EU have no interest in VAT as the boat is considered UK VAT paid - the withdawal agreement supersedes any evidence of where VAT was paid originally.

 

[Tranona]

@Racecruiser
I recommend reading reading this article which, I believe, sets out the position in detail in simple enough language
The Other Side of Brexit – VAT & Customs - Berthon International

That is a very useful summary except it was written in 2021 and the section on UK RGR rules is out of date, the 3 year limit has been abolished.

 

[Irish Rover]

That is a very useful summary except it was written in 2021 and the section on UK RGR rules is out of date, the 3 year limit has been abolished.

I was aware of that but didn't want to complicate matters by referencing it as it's not relevant to the question raised by the OP.

 

[Irish Rover]

He did not ask specifically about status - but you are right I should have made the distinction clearer. The EU have no interest in VAT as the boat is considered UK VAT paid - the withdawal agreement supersedes any evidence of where VAT was paid originally.

Now I'm confused. #2 was written by me and I assumed your #3 "correct" referred to my #2. In the context of the OP what does the part in bold mean?

 

[Tranona]

Now I'm confused. #2 was written by me and I assumed your #3 "correct" referred to my #2. In the context of the OP what does the part in bold mean?

Yes, but the clarification of the difference between evidence of VAT payment and VAT status is needed. The part in bold means that if he subsequently takes the boat to the EU it will be treated as a UK boat and take advantage of TA (assuming he is a non EU resident). The original VAT invoice has no relevance in this context

 

[dunedin]

Do you have me on ignore?

It would appear accidentally so Easily done on a phone. oops.
Feature only really needed for BP & V

 

[Racecruiser]

I can't see any threads that help here - my call to HMRC has not been returned and I'm not an RYA member!

My understanding is if I get a copy VAT invoice showing VAT paid in Ireland in 2001 then I have what I need to keep UK and EU tax and other authorities off my back. Any useful comments and expertise welcome, thank you.

I realise I need to carry title docs of course.

Thank you all for your replies!