UKBA Effectiveness
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Nicholas123
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I'm not convinced that there are millions of immigrants flooding in using local marinas 'yet' but it is astonishing that at the last general election immigration was the number one topic of concern on the door step but immigration has increased markedly & the Government is cutting back on the authorities who's job it is to control this flood.Crazy!
Searush
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Ohh, bugger, that sort of hysterical nonsense is not very helpful is it? It's just the sort of crap that pessurises MP's into a knee jerk reaction like supporting the Govt's useless e-borders concept. 
Great, that means that they want UKBA to tear apart every family cruiser they stop on a picnic to the beach. That'll increase the intelligence they get from supportive local yotties (NOT!)
I guess fear & panic sells papers, but it sure as heck doesn't help anything useful does it?
Great, that means that they want UKBA to tear apart every family cruiser they stop on a picnic to the beach. That'll increase the intelligence they get from supportive local yotties (NOT!)
I guess fear & panic sells papers, but it sure as heck doesn't help anything useful does it?
alant
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Ohh, bugger, that sort of hysterical nonsense is not very helpful is it? It's just the sort of crap that pessurises MP's into a knee jerk reaction like supporting the Govt's useless e-borders concept.
Great, that means that they want UKBA to tear apart every family cruiser they stop on a picnic to the beach. That'll increase the intelligence they get from supportive local yotties (NOT!)
I guess fear & panic sells papers, but it sure as heck doesn't help anything useful does it?
I like the responce from UKBA though - "intelligence led"!
Reverend Ludd
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Ohh, bugger, that sort of hysterical nonsense is not very helpful is it? It's just the sort of crap that pessurises MP's into a knee jerk reaction like supporting the Govt's useless e-borders concept.
Great, that means that they want UKBA to tear apart every family cruiser they stop on a picnic to the beach. That'll increase the intelligence they get from supportive local yotties (NOT!)
I guess fear & panic sells papers, but it sure as heck doesn't help anything useful does it?
I would echo that.
First create the fear then Government is able to step and and control us a bit more. All under the guise of "protecting us" singing the "what have you got to hide" mantra.
Maybe step up licensing and alongside it a bit of taxation (just to cover the costs you understand).
alant
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Being realistic, it is very easy to enter the UK on a pleasure vessel.
If this route lets in unwanted/terrorists/etc, then why not try to close it?
Sandyman
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You cynical lot
Enjoy your multicultural society they have created without even asking you if you wished to live in such.
Enjoy your multicultural society they have created without even asking you if you wished to live in such.
Reverend Ludd
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It's the same as with a small plane, easy.
Is it letting them in though?
It will tomorrow once they read the paper.
Koeketiene
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The only countries - in modern times - with truly secure borders were North Korea and until it's demise the DDR.
Is this what we want for Britain?
Short of turning this country into Stalag XVII, illegals will always find a way of getting in.
It's folly to think you can trade some freedom for more security.
electrosys
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Have you looked at a map of our coastline lately ? How many officials would it take to monitor every mile of it ?
And it's not just the UK - if an 'illegal' manages to establish their presence anywhere in the EU, he/she can then travel freely throughout the whole of the EU without hindrance - or at least, that's the theory.
Why not address the source of the problem, rather than erecting barriers around the border, just as Israel has done ?
Sandyman
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Very true. I know of three cases in recent months where the boys in black have raided
arriving yachts & taken away illegals in Gosport alone.
alant
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I'm just relating it to many trips/deliveries I've done back into UK - just so easy (it seems) to be completely anonomous.
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timbartlett
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Hmmm.
A cynic might suggest that this is simply an example of the government using the phone-hacking affair to blackmail the press into publishing official propaganda.
A cynic might suggest that this is simply an example of the government using the phone-hacking affair to blackmail the press into publishing official propaganda.
Seajet
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Total hysterical BS to me; and knocking 'rich boat owners' probably appeals to Sun readers.
In reality I'd think it quite tricky to smuggle people in; most of us here would raise an eyebrow if we saw a boatload of 'ethnics' trooping ashore either in a marina or from a tender.
It would also require quite a large boat, and they tend to attract attention re. drug smuggling already.
Years ago my boat had a total loss battery system, no on-board charging, so we only put nav lights on when anything came close; one night we were unlit off Plymouth trundling along the coast a few miles off, when an equally unlit Lynx helicopter ( distinctive sound ) came and hovered right over us, obviously checking us out via Night Vision Goggles, presumably we'd been detected by radar, probably shore based.
After that I've always thought the coast is rather better guarded than is generally let on; the UK is very good at keeping stuff like that secret.
In reality I'd think it quite tricky to smuggle people in; most of us here would raise an eyebrow if we saw a boatload of 'ethnics' trooping ashore either in a marina or from a tender.
It would also require quite a large boat, and they tend to attract attention re. drug smuggling already.
Years ago my boat had a total loss battery system, no on-board charging, so we only put nav lights on when anything came close; one night we were unlit off Plymouth trundling along the coast a few miles off, when an equally unlit Lynx helicopter ( distinctive sound ) came and hovered right over us, obviously checking us out via Night Vision Goggles, presumably we'd been detected by radar, probably shore based.
After that I've always thought the coast is rather better guarded than is generally let on; the UK is very good at keeping stuff like that secret.
alant
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Searush
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Why not try it & see if you get away with it. Could be a nice little earner. Good luck, but I shan't be visiting you if you get caught or killed.
alant
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So, its Saturday/Sunday pm in a Solent Marina/Poole/Weymouth & a 40' yacht comes into a visitors berth. The crew of (lets say 8) moor up & walk up the pontoons & head for town.
Unless its midwinter, how many would notice that they might be illegals?
Sybarite
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You close a port and they land on a beach..
awol
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Obviously, if they are not wearing Musto/Henri Lloyds with Dubarrys and shades on their heads they are suspicious and should be reported instantly to the authorities.
Searush
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It might even be a tad suspiscious if many are rather well tanned, as that may indicate time spent in warmer climes rather than around the chilly channel shores.