trialframe
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I have been under the impression that red diesel bought from a tanker in (St Sampson) Guernsey has no bio content??
UK tax element on Marine Diesel
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Refueler
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Have you the Quality Spec sheet ... scan send it to me by PM and I'll check the data and tell the truth ....
jakew009
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Unless the tanks at your marina are massive, and they are taking 36k litre drops at a time, you are buying standard gas oil with the normal bio content in it.
No supplier will deliver less than an artic load at a time because they would have to pull it straight from the terminal to you (because they don’t stock it in their own tanks) and the terminals will only load artics.
That’s what I found when I tried to buy some a number of years ago (for non marine use).
No supplier will deliver less than an artic load at a time because they would have to pull it straight from the terminal to you (because they don’t stock it in their own tanks) and the terminals will only load artics.
That’s what I found when I tried to buy some a number of years ago (for non marine use).
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Refueler
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Until just a few years back - I blended hundreds of thousands of tons per month of Gasoline and Gasoil (Diesel) for UK / EU .. Africa ... Caribbean (for onward USA deliverys) ...... for example each shipment usually about 65K metric tonnes ...
Customers included all Majors ... my fuels ended up not only in Branded stations - but Supermarket tanks ... in UK / France / Germany for example....
There are only a few refineries that actually deliver out in trucks in UK ... most will be ship or pipeline to smaller receiving transit terminals dotted around near large cities etc. There tanks are dedicated to blends and trucks load out via gantrys.
As Jakew009 says is correct ... it is only regular contracted buyers that can take smaller than the standard truck - because its repeat business. And the Truck will be delivering to maybe a Marina + a Gasoline Station. If you want to buy yourself - and its not as per the stock - you are out of luck .. no terminal will empty and clean a 10,000 ton tank for your request.... or route a truck to you ...
Customers included all Majors ... my fuels ended up not only in Branded stations - but Supermarket tanks ... in UK / France / Germany for example....
There are only a few refineries that actually deliver out in trucks in UK ... most will be ship or pipeline to smaller receiving transit terminals dotted around near large cities etc. There tanks are dedicated to blends and trucks load out via gantrys.
As Jakew009 says is correct ... it is only regular contracted buyers that can take smaller than the standard truck - because its repeat business. And the Truck will be delivering to maybe a Marina + a Gasoline Station. If you want to buy yourself - and its not as per the stock - you are out of luck .. no terminal will empty and clean a 10,000 ton tank for your request.... or route a truck to you ...
PaulRainbow
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Just one example, Marine Gas Oil (MGO) Supplier
Daydream believer
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I think that your split of 60/40 is not actually set in stone. It is a figure that HMRC have agreed to accept as a standard when there is a vessel that needs heating & charging as well as propulsion. If one's vessel does not have any heating & has the charging from, say solar panels, then the duty should be 20% across the entire bill. It is on the owner to make a declaration when purchasing the fuel to declare the split. Of course owners do not do so, reckoning that no one will check & they will get away with 60/40
If one turns up at a marina with a fuel can asking for red diesel for his Chinese heater for his shed he would be perfectly in his right to claim the full duty as heating. Of course it may not be worth the hassle arguing with the marina staff as the juggle with their computer programme to balance the books . But some can.
If one turns up at a marina with a fuel can asking for red diesel for his Chinese heater for his shed he would be perfectly in his right to claim the full duty as heating. Of course it may not be worth the hassle arguing with the marina staff as the juggle with their computer programme to balance the books . But some can.
Chris_d
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On inland Waterways its common to declare 100% heating usage even when the boat has been driven up to the fuel pontoon. I've been thanked by at least one Boatyard for declaring some tax because it helps to not draw any attention from the taxman.
Refueler
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Fine ... 500 - 36,000 litres ...
They also talk about the fuel MGO which IMO has mandated for Clean Seas areas at max 0.5% .... which is a Ships fuel .... the diesel the average yacht gets is not 0.5% ... significantly lower sulphur... and usually lighter density and higher Cetane.
Example : I have lost count of the thousands of tons I blended ................ MDO for Fishing Boats and Commercial in France is FOD 40 (Fuel Domestique 40 Cetane). DO for yachts / cars etc is FOD 49 (49 Cetane).
If you want to run MDO ... be my guest ...
PaulRainbow
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The fuel that some marinas are supplying for leisure vessels is not the 0.5% ship fuel, it is BS 2869 Grade D, 0.1% as i posted earlier.
Class D Gas Oil Specifications
Refueler
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You linked to Crown ... I posted based on that link ...
AND you have just confirmed what I said .. less than 0.5% ...
I've given industry info .... that's it ... tired of this merry go round.
I'm tired ... hospital bed is not so comfortable ..
trialframe
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This is what Rubis Guernsey has to say about their marine diesel -
Higher power output
✓ Cleaner product and burn with lower particulates in exhaust
✓ Non-bio to avoid diesel bug or tank and fuel system clogging
✓ Our Petrol is 95 Unleaded (no ethanol bio content added)
✓ Our Diesel is ULSD/AGO FAME free (ultra-low sulphur diesel, automotive grade fuel oil, no FAME bio content added).
Why choose Rubis marine fuels?
The RYA advises boat owners to always request bio free marine fuels. Rubis fuels are premium products and bio free to ISO de-minimis giving you the following benefits:Higher power output
✓ Cleaner product and burn with lower particulates in exhaust
✓ Non-bio to avoid diesel bug or tank and fuel system clogging
✓ Our Petrol is 95 Unleaded (no ethanol bio content added)
✓ Our Diesel is ULSD/AGO FAME free (ultra-low sulphur diesel, automotive grade fuel oil, no FAME bio content added).
