UK Registration and CE certificate

[piratos]

Hi
One question
- does anybody know whether a boat needs new CE certifikation when sold within EU
(built before CE certification, registered in UK, and still within EU)

??

 

[Tranona]

Registration is irrelevant. CE required for boats first going on the market post 1997. Pre 1997 if already in the EU at that date or built in the EU/EEA are exempt. No need to re-certify to sell in the EU - which is good because an old boat would not meet current rules!

 

[Alicatt]

What about taking/importing your own pre 1997 boat from the UK to the EU as a UK citizen but with EU residency ?

 

[piratos]

What about taking/importing your own pre 1997 boat from the UK to the EU as a UK citizen but with EU residency ?

Situation is different. I am in the EU. Having sold my boat i am in the market for another boat. There was a boat boat in Spain but UK registered. Looks like it is possible but boats from UK are not attractive - since Brexit.
It was just one option - also looking at one with german registry.

 

[DavidJ]

Situation is different. I am in the EU. Having sold my boat i am in the market for another boat. There was a boat boat in Spain but UK registered. Looks like it is possible but boats from UK are not attractive - since Brexit.
It was just one option - also looking at one with german registry.

UK registered boat in Spain is not a problem no more than a French boat in Spain
I have a UK registered boat EU tax paid boat for sale in Spain and don’t foresee any difficulties nor do the brokers.

 

[Alicatt]

I'm looking too, I'm in the EU too, we have seen a semi displacement cruiser what we would like in the UK which we could use in Scotland and also could be used on the rivers and canals in the EU.

There is a nice little cabin cruiser for sale locally but it is a river or canal only type, but would be no use off the west coast of Scotland.

 

[DavidJ]

Sorry, hijacking your thread here.
If I sold my SSR registered boat in Spain (or in the UK for that matter) to another Brit, Does he pick up my SSR number or is another number generated on re registration.

 

[Tranona]

Situation is different. I am in the EU. Having sold my boat i am in the market for another boat. There was a boat boat in Spain but UK registered. Looks like it is possible but boats from UK are not attractive - since Brexit.
It was just one option - also looking at one with german registry.

There is no problem. Just register on the Spanish registry. It is possible that you will have difficulties because it is pre 1997, but that is nothing to do with the British registration, but the expectation of the Spanish authorities (wrongly) to expect a CE mark. This is despite the fact that there are thousands of Spanish boats pre 1997 on the register. The CE mark is part of consumer legislation for new boats. The boat you are looking at is perfectly legal in the EU, and is EU VAT paid if it was there o

 

[Tranona]

I'm looking too, I'm in the EU too, we have seen a semi displacement cruiser what we would like in the UK which we could use in Scotland and also could be used on the rivers and canals in the EU.

There is a nice little cabin cruiser for sale locally but it is a river or canal only type, but would be no use off the west coast of Scotland.

No problem. Your citizenship and residency is irrelevant. you will have to import the boat into the EU and pay VAT. You may have to register it locally depending on where you are. Registration is a local, NOT EU requirement.

 

[Tranona]

Sorry, hijacking your thread here.
If I sold my SSR registered boat in Spain (or in the UK for that matter) to another Brit, Does he pick up my SSR number or is another number generated on re registration.

You cancel your SSR registration - it is not transferrable. The buyer organises his own registration.

 

[DavidJ]

You cancel your SSR registration - it is not transferrable. The buyer organises his own registration.

Thank you

 

[BlueJasper]

But you can retain the same SSR number.

 

[DavidJ]

But you can retain the same SSR number.

Ah!
I didn’t realise that.
Thanks

 

[BMP_Express]

Hi All - to resurrect this thread (again) as it's been very useful so far! We are looking to sell a boat that was built in the EU around 1980 back into the EU after it's been in the UK for at least 20 years I think. As it was built in the EEA (Sweden) we believe it is exempt from the RCD regulations and does not require CE marking. We are by no means experts and this is just from reading online so can anyone confirm if this is correct?

The value of the sale will be low (about 10k) so having to get the boat surveyed for the RCD regulations would be prohibitively expensive in itself.

 

[Seastoke]

Why don’t you sell here . Ie vat and transport costs.

 

[Alicatt]

I'm looking too, I'm in the EU too, we have seen a semi displacement cruiser what we would like in the UK which we could use in Scotland and also could be used on the rivers and canals in the EU.

There is a nice little cabin cruiser for sale locally but it is a river or canal only type, but would be no use off the west coast of Scotland.

We bought the nice little cabin cruiser to use locally in Belgium, it is from 1980 and we believe it was built in the UK, though there is a lack of documentation on her I can only trace the previous owner but the govt. department gave me the proper maker and model number and not what the previous owner had put.
sorry to be no help @BMP_Express we decided it was going to be too much of a pain to buy a boat in the UK and export it here, the one we looked at in Scotland was from 1989 and a Hardy Pilot 20

 

[westernman]

Hi All - to resurrect this thread (again) as it's been very useful so far! We are looking to sell a boat that was built in the EU around 1980 back into the EU after it's been in the UK for at least 20 years I think. As it was built in the EEA (Sweden) we believe it is exempt from the RCD regulations and does not require CE marking. We are by no means experts and this is just from reading online so can anyone confirm if this is correct?

The value of the sale will be low (about 10k) so having to get the boat surveyed for the RCD regulations would be prohibitively expensive in itself.

If you are importing it (or re-importing it but too long after your exported it for "return of goods"), then in theory it will need to be surveyed to the new RCD II regulations (and it won't pass as the engine won't conform to the new emissions regulations unless it has been replaced in the last 10 years or so).

In practice????

 

[Tranona]

You are correct in your belief as the EU retained the pre 1997 exemption for imports. However as with many things around Brexit it does not all necessarily go smoothly as some states have difficulty with getting up to speed with the new rules. It is your buyer's responsibility to comply with import requirements so s/he should clarify with the authorities in the state where the import will take place exactly what they will require in terms of documentation and how they will assess the boat, both for compliance with regulations and calculation of VAT.

Suggest they do this before committing to buy so there are no nasty surprises.

 

[lydiamight]

You can buy a roll of 500 CE stickers for a few beer tokens. Amazon.co.uk
Just stick them everywhere on the boat/engine etc

 

[BMP_Express]

Thanks for the responses all.

Why don’t you sell here . Ie vat and transport costs.

We have the boat for sale in the UK, via Apollo Duck, this potential buyer is serious so we're looking into how we can arrange the sale. We also had another enquiry from Ireland but have come up against the same issue. If anyone here is interested we'd be more than happy to sell it in the UK!

If you are importing it (or re-importing it but too long after your exported it for "return of goods"), then in theory it will need to be surveyed to the new RCD II regulations (and it won't pass as the engine won't conform to the new emissions regulations unless it has been replaced in the last 10 years or so).

In practice????

Thank you for the information, the engine will be fine as either (1) we'll be selling her without one, or (2) we'll be selling her with a 2017 4 stroke outboard as she has no inboard engine.

You are correct in your belief as the EU retained the pre 1997 exemption for imports. However as with many things around Brexit it does not all necessarily go smoothly as some states have difficulty with getting up to speed with the new rules. It is your buyer's responsibility to comply with import requirements so s/he should clarify with the authorities in the state where the import will take place exactly what they will require in terms of documentation and how they will assess the boat, both for compliance with regulations and calculation of VAT.

Suggest they do this before committing to buy so there are no nasty surprises.

Thanks for the confirmation, this is essentially the stage we're in now. The prospective buyer has asked Spanish customs what they'll require to clear the boat, and they've said the CE mark. We were wondering that, as the buyer was not fully aware of the boat's history, they may have missed something which would have "grandfather clause-d" the boat back into the EU without the CE mark.

At present we've emailed the RYA to get their view on what will be required and are also trying to find surveyors to get a quote for doing the RCD inspection. For a 26ft boat with no inboard engine, 1x 12V battery and only tactic electronics and a VHF we're hoping that it wouldn't be too expensive to get the inspection done.

If anyone knows any surveyors who do the inspections any contact details would be appreciated. As I mentioned above too, if anyone happens to be interested in a cracking 26ft cruiser racer that's trailerable drop me a PM too!