Tying on a flag

[flylhp]

Hi

Can any one suggest the best knot for tying on a flag it has a wooden toggle on one end and a length of cord on the other


flylhp

 

[jimi]

What are you tying it onto?

 

[snowleopard]

A small loop (splice or bowline) in the halliard for the toggle. Preferably put a toggle on the bottom part of the halliard and a loop in the tail itself. You can then join the two ends of the halliard when you remove the flag. Failing that, use a sheet bend on the tail.

 

[Samg_0014]

when i was at guides we used to tie a clove hitch onto the toggle.

Dunno if this helps but it sure works and its secure if you dont want to loop or splice.

 

[Santana379]

I always have a permanent bowline loop on the halyard at the top, so that the toggle just fits through it - once hoisted it will not come out. I also have a bowline loop on the string at the bottom of the burgee the same size, so a second flag can be simply attached in the same way. The halyard can then be attached at the bottom with a bowline loop.

If it's an ensign you wish to attach to an ensign staff, then this isn't particularly helpful.

 

[penultimate]

What an interesting thread! I was never a Girl Guide but have always used a clove hitch to secure the burgee halliard to a toggle. Now I can see that a small permanent bowline would be better.
Never too late to change the habits of a lifetime.

 

[Santana379]

An alternative giving extra security is a slightly larger bowline loop, which you can put over the toggle a second time after giving it a twist.

Looking at your bio you must have a few good tips yourself!

 

[ashanta]

You fit the toggle into a an eye on the halyard, you pass the rope on the flag (at the bottom) through an eye you create in the uphaul line of the halyard (the same side / line as the toggle is fitted) ensuring that youcan pull the line of the flag taught so that it's shape is right. You then carry out 2 round turns and half hitch. You are then able to pull down on the down halu line of the halyard.

Regards.

peter.

 

[Gunfleet]

I was never a girl guide either but I use a fisherman's or anchor hitch

 

[alan_d]

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I use a fisherman's or anchor hitch

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[Pedant mode]
Shouldn't that be fisherman's or anchor bend ?

Alan

 

[stormeagle]

I frankly cannot believe some of the questions on this board. Does nobody read a book any more? Has anyone ever seen a boat before? Can no one tie a knot, or are they all using plastic widgets to suspend their fenders? Somebody sell him englefield clips, if anybody knows what they are anymore. Is this where the Rya "accelerated courses'" are taking us? I have spent most of my life out of the UK, buit the parlous state of english education is written large in these pages.
I trust that Scottish education is still up to the pace.

 

[tome]

Bowline at the top to take the toggle, double sheet bend at the tail

 

[snowleopard]

Absolutely disgraceful that beginners and inexperienced people should come in here among us experts and have the cheek to ask questions. In future we must insist on proof of YM(Ocean) or equivalent qualification before permitting posting.

I don't like to be impolite sir, but unless that is a well-disguised tongue in your cheek, you are a pompous pr*t.

 

[TheBoatman]

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Somebody sell him englefield clips, if anybody knows what they are anymore.

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I know what they are but I wouldn't recommend using one on a simple flag halyard (as used on most yotts) because unless there are englefields on the halyard it would cut the line within minutes in a blow.
BTW we use nothing but englefields on our racing flags because of the need to hank them on and off quickly. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Sgeir]

Have you taken your pills today?

Just wondering.

 

[Ships_Cat]

I am still working out what a flag thing is, let alone the tying on bit.

You sound clever and a nice person so could you perhaps explain to a poor cat what a flag thing is and what it is that you tie it to?

Thanks in anticipation

John

 

[stormeagle]

Pleased to see the predictable responses - I thought the original was probably TIC - nobody would ask the question for real - or indeed answer it!
Obviously one has englefields on all flag halyard ends - some neat little stainless steel jobs are available cheaply.
It really is fun sitting here in Cannes bored silly, and baiting all you expert chaps relaxing from your yotty evening classes.
Never mind I am off to boat and wife in Sicily on Saturday for the summer - if you see "Storm Eagle" (not my choice of name - came with the boat) come and have a pompous gin.

 

[sailorman]

WOT EVENING CLASSES??? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[stormeagle]

Add to my last - what is a pr**d? Proud yes Prood? no. Neither Roger or the Shorter Oxford offer demystification. Possibly snowleopard should use all *'s to simplify his spelling tasks and increase his range of insult.
As to the other, I take my Paxil along with my gout pills before retiring!

 

[tome]

What made you choose an Oyster 39, and who named it Storm Eagle?