Turning engines off at sea etc : What's the solution #94

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Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

You are total idiot boat skipper, possibly a charter skipper (hah!), and having read some nice mag about uk-med trips you set off from Gibraltar in a rubbish old single engined boat with dodgy mechanicals. You have no idea of the route back to the UK, and are a bit scaredy anyway so decide to set off er well, not today but how about tomorrow?

The crew are useless so they agree to your daft plans and go off to get lashed cos you've decided to set off at 10am as though the trip is in the solent, you nit.

The useless crew don't help dig around the engineroom to discover possible problems, nor do they do any chartwork, like the fab crew that one would find on Mobo Chat forum. Yes, somehow you've manged to get FIVE know-nowt morons as "crew" for a serious voyage.

So anyway, the next morning you set off North er west er well whatever and it's blowing 18 knots almost directly on the nose. Or is it from the stern quarter. Not easy to tell is it? Not from this text it ain't.

Of course, your stupid choice of nanky old boat is as bad as the choice of crew. I spect it's late August when you make this trip, just in time for a decent gale, you berk. Remeber Fastnet Disaster? that was late august too. Moron.

Anyway, following your utterly imbecilic tendencies you turn off the engine every six hours. None of the crew say er just a minute as anyone with any experience or even common sense would do - they are fine if you turn things off and on cos they haven't got a clue. I was at sea with an editor of a mobo mag and he def advised against turning engine off even when it went a bit groany.

But these days well, turning engines off is suddenly called "good practice" and it's going to get printed in a flippin magazine as such with god knows what results.

So, unsurprisingly (bearing in mind every other decision you've made so far) the engine becomes a bit busted and now you've got a problem cos oil lashed about and alrms going off.

You can half-fix the engine to hobble to the coast and/or make vhf calls i suppose, although regardless of how you make it out alive you can expect a good deal of talking about this screwup behind your back for years to come.

Perhaps you got idiot crew because all the decent crew knew you were a wassock to start with, eh?

So here's the question - who's the biggest idiot?
a) You?
b) the crew?
c) or the magazine editor for (promising to) print that it's "good practise to turn off an engine every six hours".

Hm?

Answers on postcard please.
 
Re: What\'s the solution #94

No postcard needed here. I'd make anyone who tried to keep turning off a perfectly good running engine walk the gangplank, preferably with a large amount of heavy chain attached
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

What's the betting that the bit about stopping the engine every 6 hours gets, errm, quietly dropped into the bilges by one of the muppet crew?
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

I bet the wind gets changed a bit as well.

Obviously the original idea started from YM - but none of those examples originate from overarching daftness...
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

No, no, no - far better for an intemperate poster to tell the editor that we DEMAND that the 6 hour bit gets dropped or we'll orchestrate a boycott of the magazine in disgust.

That way he'll have to keep it in and so keep the fun going once the issue is published. Much better. Better still if a whole load of readers start using stopwatches and lurch to a halt in random places all Summer, preferably in the path of ships.

So, what's the next piece of "advice" that should be put into the following months quiz,

"Being a good skipper he kept a member of crew at the bows for the whole Channel crossing, ready with the anchor in case a handbrake turn was needed"

"Being a good skipper he insisted his wife wore a drysuit at all times in case of propellor fouling"



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Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

They're mostly pretty sensible I agree but you always have to inject some preparation mistakes or seriously unlikely multiple equipment failures or there wouldn't be a difficult enough dilemma.
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

the drysuit one doesn't sound too daft - or er i am being daft?

I have often wondered why ocean racy types don't praps wear wetsuit from time to time if not permanently, givem more time if liferaft beckons? Bit wiffy i suppose...
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

They do wear survival suits in extreme/cold conditions which are not dissimilar - and I bet they are whiffy.

I guess your wife must be used to the comments in Tesco's as she clumps around in the suit, as instructed by her HWMBO. I will keep an eye out, but admit to being slightly scared by your obvious powers of persuasion.
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

ah well, it was quite easy to persuade her into the drysuit, same sort of thing as all the Tesco's food is wrapped in plastic, makes sense for her to be all hygenic and do the same. I spect there'll be a law about it soon...
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

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I bet the wind gets changed a bit as well

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Yes, the cold SW'ly blowing off Siberia could be another culprit

Get the impression we're unpaid proof-readers?
 
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Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

Tee hee, fine rant /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The 6hours thing in Hugo's original post would be nuts in any context but it was especially bad becuase it was written as a general axiom. It wasn't part of the skipper's action open to comment by anyone answering the question. Hugo said an exp skipper (hah..) wrote it, so presumably the skipper thinks this is sensible, but Hugo would still be at fault as editor if published. Lucky it's only MBY, not Flight International...

Erm, Hugo did spell "practice" correctly tho! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

So when do we leave ?, er ..or would it be a good idea for me to read the post again as I may have missed something.
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

Well exactly! If the blimmin' thing is turning & burning and the dials are roughly in the right place, why bring it to a stop for goodness sakes???

My crew of 5 (me plus family) may well be know-nowt morons but it really does hurt to see it here in print. We're sensitive souls up here ya know /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Oh and BTW the trouble with shanky badly maintained old boats...

...is that they have the enormously irritating habit of carrying on going year after year. Its almost as if "if I don't look under that hatch, it can't harm me" type of principle.

I seem to shell out a lot for servicing and a "no expense spared" attitude toward maintenance, and other just leave the boat lying around and jump in it again in Spring and off they go!

Not fair! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

I'll give you a scenario wot happened to me.Why sometimes
it is worth switching off an engine at sea!! OK i have twin
diesels, so i can keep one running whilst i check the other
one. THERE i was 80 miles offshore all the gauges showed
correct figures, nothing to bother about!! don't you believe
it!.I being a tinkerer felt this need to check the engines
Just as well a bolt had sheared on the port alternator the
engine vibrating had caused the other bolts to loosen and
the Alternator was about to part company with the engine
taking with it the water pump and the electrics, but the
helm display said it was still charging.You can all do what
you like, but i feel after 6 hours in Single engine boat
after my experience i would feel compelled to check the
engine, not necessary to switch off though.
I learn'nt a lesson that day
Cheers Tony
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

Remember the good old days when magazines were produced by highly experienced mature seamen, often ex RN types, who knew more about the subject than the readers?
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

Was on a TSMB a few years back with an exRN engineer.The engines ran for 5 days non-stop , however he changed the revs every 3 - 4 hrs saying that this was best for the engine.
They were old fashioned slow revving engines. With modern high rev types do you still have to do this ? and why ??
 
Re: Turning engines off at sea etc : What\'s the solution #94

Hello stephenh,
on fairly modern engines the manufacturers
used to recommend altering the revs but this applied to
running in new engines, i think it helped to "bed the engines
in" bores and pistons mainly, i have heard it said that
modern engines are already "run in" but i'm sure it's better
practice not to go belting off on max revs on new engines.
I think once the engines are run it there is no need to
alter the revs every few hours, i feel 50 hours running
from new and the engines will running freer, and could be called run in, but then i would do another 50hours, before
using max revs
 
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