Turkey regulations re crewchange

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Im planning out first viisit to Turkey this year with our UK flagged boat.
We will sail over from KOS and checkin at Bodrum but later that day we will be joined by 3 familly members who will arrive by air, stay a week and then depart by air. They will then be replaced by 2 other familly members who will also arrive and depart by air.

Im aware that Turkey is sensitive to crewchanges because of Chartering laws but I cant get my head around the regulations and the best way to comply with them.

Can anyone advise the correct procedure to get our guests on/off the crewlist without having to renew our crusing permit several times.

Thanks

Steve
 
affinite said:
Im aware that Turkey is sensitive to crewchanges because of Chartering laws but I cant get my head around the regulations and the best way to comply with them.

Can anyone advise the correct procedure to get our guests on/off the crewlist without having to renew our crusing permit several times.
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See if this helps: http://jimbsail.info/turkey

Broadly, keep your transit log list of crew up to date, by going to the harbour authorities when you change crew. I don't know if they keep track of the total numbers who sail aboard.
 
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affinite said:
Im planning out first viisit to Turkey this year with our UK flagged boat.
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In that area you are probably cheaper off checking in to Turgutreis. The marina will sell you a cruising log (and is the "agent" i.e. charging an agent fee on top of the actual price of the cruising log) and you go to one building to get all the different stamps.

The cheapest (and possibly simplest) place to check-in/out seems to be Bozborun (opposite Simi)

You now always need an agent in Turkey even to do a crew change. I wanted to stick by the rules last year and went to the port police in Göcek for a crew change. They told me I had to do it through an agent. I checked a few agents in Göcek and got prices ranging from 50 to 100 Euros for a simple crew change (one stamp from the authorities). I spoke to several Turks about this afterwards and was told that hardly anyone bothers with it.
 
I would agree with Sybaris..Avoid Bodrum if possible,the agents there are expensive. I have no experience of Turgutreis ,but believe it is better.
+1 regarding Bozburun,the agent there (Saleh) is reasonable and quick. and Datca is also OK. however these may be out of your way ,so you pays your money & takes your chances.
 
Thanks

Thanks for the tips guys. I will seriously consider Turgutreis but didnt consider it originaly because I didnt want to head into the heart of the concrete jungle :)
 
affinite said:
Thanks for the tips guys. I will seriously consider Turgutreis but didnt consider it originaly because I didnt want to head into the heart of the concrete jungle :)
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Turgutreis is actually a nice little town with lots of good shops both for provisioning, but also for browsing. You can also anchor just next to the marina entry if you want to save on the marina fee. The concrete jungle is outside the town.

Cheers,
Per
 
Is there any update on the crew change procedure? We are also in Gocek and two visiting crew have returned to the UK - is there a cheap agent in Gocek or Fethiye to do the crew list change procedure?
Just as an aside - we didn't check our transit log when we got it in Bozburun and now notice that I am listed twice (with same passport number) and one of the crew now departed wasn't listed at all!
Thanks for any hints and tips
Rose
 
We had crew join us for two weeks in the summer and didn't bother. We had to submit our TL when stopping overnight at Ece Marina in Fethiye, but that was just so they could verify the boat's dimensions. No one cared.

May have been very different if we were checking in/out to visit Greece, but we didn't do that.

Do you really need the headache if no one cares?

PT.
 
jimbaerselman said:
It's easy to keep the list of crew on your transit log up to date. Just visit the harbour authorities whenever you change crew, and they'll make the entry.
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Not so sure. Last year we went to the harbour authorities in Göcek to change crew. They said we now have to do it via an agent. The first one I asked in Göcek wanted 100€, but after trying them all (agents) I think we ended up paying 30€.

As I said this was last year, but they seem even tougher on the agent system now so I would be surprised if it has changed since then.

Cheers,
Per
 
We were advised by a Turkish "marina consultant" not to bother. If stopped say they are just on a day trip and you are returning them to port that night.
 
I have never changed a crew list in Turkey. I renew every year, with myself, wife and daughter on, but it doesn't stop me from day sailing with a full boat of friends or longer weekends with other crew. Never been stopped or asked, though some friends have, but the coast guard seems uninterested in crew, and marinas to my experience seem only interested in boat length and beam for charging.

Technically the rules say you should renew your crew list, when changing crew, but a broader interpretation will also suggest that you put on the list any and all likely crew, at issue of the log (harbourmaster dependent!).

The reality is, Turkey and the people in it, operate and function irrespective of the rules not because of them.
 
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We have received the same advice - do not bother to register crews changes beyond the core crew.

Am I right in thinking that the Transit Log only accomodates three crew changes, after which a new log must be obtained?
 
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Can now answer my own question having studied our Transit Log.

It only has the facility for 3 changes of crew. The forms for each change have to be stamped by, and there are copies for, HM, Customs and Immigration Police.

So it is not a simple procedure and may well require an Agent.

But the advice remains don't bother to register "casual" crew changes who are flying in and out. Quite apart from the hassle (which the authorities don't seem to want either) there is the cost of a new TL once the old one is full.
 
Good afternoon:

No one seems to have questioned exactly what is meant by the word "crew" insofar as changes of "crew lists" is concerned.

To me the word implies "work" - if some one is sailing with me and is not expected to work, is not paid etc, I don't consider them as crew anymore then I would consider anyone staying with me ashore for a short period as an servant or employee.

I don't recall ever reporting a change of "crew" although I have listed long term visitors on the crew lists if and when I obtained a new transit log. Of course if one crosses from Turkey to Greece or vice versa anyone on the yacht has to be listed for passport purposes. If and when that person leaves I might, just might, visit the harbour master and have the name removed but it is not something that keeps me awake at night.

As someone wisely said "in Turkey the laws are for guidance, not enforcement".

Cheers

Squeaky
 
Squeaky said:
.................No one seems to have questioned exactly what is meant by the word "crew" insofar as changes of "crew lists" is concerned....................
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We have just booked into Finike for the winter and the Setur Marina contract - they have 7 marinas in Turkey - clearly makes a distinction between Crew and Guests. They say that a boat may only manoevre in the marina if all crew have "a valid and adequate seaman certificate"

Boat Guests are talked about totally separately.
 
sailinglegend420 said:
We have just booked into Finike for the winter and the Setur Marina contract - they have 7 marinas in Turkey - clearly makes a distinction between Crew and Guests. They say that a boat may only manoevre in the marina if all crew have "a valid and adequate seaman certificate"

Boat Guests are talked about totally separately.
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That's interesting. In Croatia the differentiation (for leisure boats) seems to be that Guests are those who visit, but do not stay on board overnight. The Setur quote above seems to be taken direct from commercial maritime definitions - when crew run the boat, and passengers are politely called guests!
 
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