Trip back from LIBS - Gludy boat picture

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This is Gludy's boat on the trip from Ramsgate to Emsworth, on Tuesday this week. It didn't roll side to side, but it certainly went up and down /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Ocean Deep

Gludy - we were on the cat that you had to let out to refuel in Ramsgate, early Tuesday - sorry for the alarm call! PM me if you want the hi-res version of the picture.

Also, there were two lockings out into the Thames after LIBS. The first one was also delayed by the display 50ft Beneteau yacht which had a bust engine (or Ancasta couldn't afford to fuel it). It held us all up as the delivery skippers had to use the Beneteau Trawler mobo to tow it to the lock. There was one small problem, the mobo provided the ability to move forwards, but not the ability to stop. So when the Trawler stopped in the lock, the Ben50 didn't (well, until it used the back of the mobo as a buffer).

Trip back to Chichester interesting in F6-7 around North Foreland as Gludy says, but at least it gave us 8knts - 10knts under sail, so about the same as displacement mobo - until wind came on the nose, when sticky-up bits not very helpful.

Oh, well, as Gludy motored past us we could at least reflect that our 4 litre per hour fuel consumption was somewhat less than his!
 
yep - the stablisers stop her rolling totally but nothing, it seems can stop the up/dowm bit. This always seems worse than it is because the cup of water did not spill so maybe the actual degrees are not as much as we think they are.


So you were that cat that woke us up early to get to the fuel berth!!! I was totally away in the clouds when that move took place .... well at least a hi-res inage would be just a little compensation. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


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Also, there were two lockings out into the Thames after LIBS. The first one was also delayed by the display 50ft Beneteau yacht which had a bust engine (or Ancasta couldn't afford to fuel it). It held us all up as the delivery skippers had to use the Beneteau Trawler mobo to tow it to the lock. There was one small problem, the mobo provided the ability to move forwards, but not the ability to stop. So when the Trawler stopped in the lock, the Ben50 didn't (well, until it used the back of the mobo as a buffer).


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Yes, the antics leaving were rather amusing and sad at times. Nothing like the entertainment provided by some small power boat when we arrived for the show - sort of three complete turns down the lock before ending up at 90 degrees to the boat it was to tie up to .... alll good fun.

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"Trip back to Chichester interesting in F6-7 around North Foreland as Gludy says, but at least it gave us 8knts - 10knts under sail, so about the same as displacement mobo - until wind came on the nose, when sticky-up bits not very helpful.


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Yes you were fair clipping along - we reckoned you were doing 11 knots - we did 11 knots most of the way because we had already missed the tide and so had to wait arounf until the we small hours of the morning anyway.

We used used a tad more than your 4 litres an hour ... in fact a little over ten time that amount!
 
40l per hour at 11 knots sounds pretty good Paul, I bet you are happy with that.

Like many other forumites I "blagged" my way onto your boat at LIBS. She is absoultely beautiful.

Opinion in our house is split, I now hate you with a vengence (envy is a terrible thing) my SWMBO on the other hand wants to marry you /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
I told Trader that there would be forumites wanting to see the boat at LIBS and they were happy to show as many as possible. Thanks for nice comments.

Ocean Deep has not been commisioned yet and there is still another month of doing nice things to her to get her to that stage. One of thos things is a set of new props and then tuning in the props. She was about 1 mpg coming back from LIBS but another issue is the way the return diesel is monitored by the Cat system so I am basing the consumption on the tank readings. I am hoping she will get about 1mpg at 11 knots, 1.4 mpg at 9 knots- then say about 0.6mpg at 18 knots and a terrible 0.4 mpg at 25 knots. This gives me a choice - I can always phone the bank manager before pushing the stick down. She weighs in at 32 tons so she is a big mass to push through the water.

At least i can make a cup of tea in a heavy sea, read books and anyone can fairly well do as they want.

Another issue is going to be how well the stabilisers improve handling in following seas. Drumbeat was incredible in following seas - I was managing 26 knots with 15 foot waves with her. Into a head she she was a bit of a pain as all planing boats are and speed had to be reduced down to even 8 knots in heavy seas. I know SD boats are not as good in following seas but the stablisers may change this a bit - I do not know.... we shall see.
 
all good stuff

Can you not bog around with the trim to reduce fwd/back nodding motion? Mebbe not in f6/7. I always think this due to too much upward forces eventually overcome by gravity, and starting again, so trimming down shd reduce inital push up and hence degree of noddiness. Maybe.

Supplementary/cheeky question: Did they pay for your attendance at the show like all the juice, your massive coffee bills, and masively reduced boat price on account of you owning a trader boat show boat and them er not? Is it "worth it" being a boat show boat? I spose you would have mentioned if the boat a right state with loads of bits missing post-show, but yerknow, whatever info you can let on most intresting.
 
The thing to watch with stabilisers and a following-sea is that they don't exagerate the roll, because the water is moving the wrong way past the fin. Read the manuals - as some stabilisers (which do you have, btw?) need to be locked centrally in a following sea....

Of course, newer whizzy control and sensor systems may prevent this /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Rick
 
Paul, the Trader guy at LIBS could'nt have been more welcoming when I mentioned the forum
Interesting mpg figures you are quoting for the Trader. Do you have any comparative figures for the Squaddie as I believe you were expecting the Trader to deliver better mpg at displacement speeds? Also do the stabilizers affect speed and/or mpg when deployed?
 
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Can you not bog around with the trim to reduce fwd/back nodding motion? Mebbe not in f6/7. I always think this due to too much upward forces eventually overcome by gravity, and starting again, so trimming down shd reduce inital push up and hence degree of noddiness. Maybe.


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I think you may be right.
The situation was that Trader were totally responsible for the boat there, back and at the show hence I did not want to interfere with what was being done so did not experiment much ..... you can be sure I will. On the way back we had no trim at all and I think that the forward/aft motion could be improved as you say by trimming so that the bow did not lift as much. The trim tabs themselves are simply massive - 2 to 3 times the size of Drumbeat. I shall report back on this when I get a chance to experiment but I anticipate another month before we commission the boat. Even the passerelle was missing from the boat because the manufacturer I think went bust and was then taken over by Cooney and then had supplies established again - so that is being fitted now.

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Supplementary/cheeky question: Did they pay for your attendance at the show like all the juice, your massive coffee bills, and masively reduced boat price on account of you owning a trader boat show boat and them er not? Is it "worth it" being a boat show boat? I spose you would have mentioned if the boat a right state with loads of bits missing post-show, but yerknow, whatever info you can let on most intresting.

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In practice I went with the boat both ways - they obviously paid for the fuel. I was given a hire car to return to Emsworth and they taxied me back to LIBS at the end. I got no dosh - just a set of carpets and soft furnishings plus tickets to the show - no food etc. I really found it very handy being at the show - made shopping very easy. So no not loads of dosh, no money at all but it was a good shakedown for the boat and we are working through a more complete snagging list.

There was a tiny bit of damage done at the show - some clown managed to slightly rip a backrest of a seat on the aft deck and that will have to be replaced but they really did their best to ensure it was always attended viewing and nothing went missing. I took some people on and quickly found myself confronted by one the trader girls who had not met me - I had to explain it was my boat - that was pleasing because it showed they really did keep their part of the bargain.

Was it worth it? Well not financially, they had the boat for over two weeks and interest on the capital alone in that time was about £2k and 40 hours were added to the engine hours. Yes it was worth it for other reasons. As part of the deal no delivery crew were allowed to deliver the boat it was Trader employees and there is nothing like being stuck together for 40 hours in their product to learn about it and iron out some wrinkles. I probably drove them mad.

Certainly there was no problem except for that one silly thing from the public - any who did not understand that no bags were allowed on and no shoes - or wear over cloths were not allowed on.... some people do object to these things but too bad,


The best remark of the show was on the other Trader - a chap who had just emerged from the engine room asked if the boat was single or twin screw ....... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif


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Good points. I am following up on this point - the manuals are all on the boat.
I will post when i have researched.

The Squaddies could not really be used in slow displacment speeds without rolling etc - so with that it was mainly its natural planing speed of 26 knots and at that I got 0.6 mpg. I hope that the Trader would have this fuel consumption at about 18 knots - if that worls out then I would be happy.

I would prefer to do a very comfortable trip at 18 knots using the same fule than do the same trip at 26 knots and not be as comfortable. I also have the choice of very comfortable indeed at lower speeds with a saving in fuelk economy on top.

I think the stablisers have hardly any effect on fuel consumption - I will know more later - I will come back when i know but I really doubt if they do. They seem to have zero effect on speed - you can switch them off/on and there is no change in speed/revs etc.
 
good stuff, thanks. Sounds like Trader are being quite decent about it all, and i just wondered what the score was in those quite special circumstances.

The only other (remote third hand) exp i have of such circumstancs were when a friend had a westerly oceanlord (40+ raggie) not a show boat but had some special stuff/wood/alcantara etc in it, v swish. He found pix of interior plastered all over brocures but had had no call saying "is it ok if we take pix?" Anyway they denied it was his boat til he said "that's our bedspread tho, innit, and that's our coffee pot?..." and quite funny to watch them try and talk their way out of it...
 
Hi Paul,

Glad you had an interesting trip to and fro from LIBS and you're now back at Emsworth. I have to reflect what you say about the Trader staff (and owners) in how helpful they have been. We are relative newbies to this and are having to learn fast. James especially, as he has been helping out my SWMBO (she is in charge of boat as I'm tied up with a house project) with all manner of queries.

Not sure if you're down on Saturday, but I'll look out for you as I should be along in the afternoon.

Regards
 
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