boatone
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Transport and Works Order
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Brayman
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Seem ok now?
Completely different page now - what gives?
boatone
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Dunno what you mean by different - looks exactly the same to me except that all 3 links are working.
oldgit
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"So back to the topic the Transport and works order (harmonisation), who asked for it? What were its real objectives?"
The whole point would have thought was to get one standard charging/rules and regs system throughout all navigations....ferinstance down here you are charged on length alone as opposed to area and anything that stops people putting raw sewage into my bit of river is just fine,whats good enough for the Broads/Thames is just fine by me.
Plus of course we down here can visit other places using the10 day reciprical licence thingy.
The whole point would have thought was to get one standard charging/rules and regs system throughout all navigations....ferinstance down here you are charged on length alone as opposed to area and anything that stops people putting raw sewage into my bit of river is just fine,whats good enough for the Broads/Thames is just fine by me.
Plus of course we down here can visit other places using the10 day reciprical licence thingy.
Lotus_John
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Each of our navigations was historically operated by an organisation dedicated to their management and rules and regulation and charges were drawn up to suit that navigation and their users. It may be, with the EA in charge of many of our navigations, harmonisation would mean a more efficient management system.
A quick check on the Medway licence charge for a 30 ft boat indicates an annual charge of £234 with free use of the dingy, same boat on the Thames £500 and you have to pay full price to use the dingy. Do you think Thames pricing will go down to harmonise with the Medway? Are you sure if it’s good enough for the Thames its good enough for the Medway?
Are you sure that the BSS could not have been introduced and hence your raw sewage problem solved on the Medway a lot sooner under the existing Southern Waters regulations, it was the EA that chose the much more difficult TWA route, for its introduction, perhaps it helped to justify Harmonisation.
The reciprocal license thingy worked before harmonisation, not sure why the new powers will change anything.
oldgit
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Be happy to cough another £200 quid PA,just send all them Thames lockies down here and save me the trouble of opening those gates and winding those paddles.
Should work out about one lockie per gate and two to work the paddles.
Suspect that doing this the other way round and you lot saving £200 quid would be very interesting at a busy lock during high summer.?
Should work out about one lockie per gate and two to work the paddles.
Suspect that doing this the other way round and you lot saving £200 quid would be very interesting at a busy lock during high summer.?
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Andrew_Fanner
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All have to slow down on the Medway, 5 knots is a lot faster than 8kmh. Oh, and recalibrate all your logs
Its emprie building.
Its emprie building.
Lotus_John
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Transport and works order.
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I see nothing in the rules that say the charge levied must be relative to the facilities offered by the waterway. I think many Medway license holders would prefer the exercise than the extra £270 license fee.
Harmonisation suggests to me that the agency will be able to cherry pick regulations from the different navigations and in most cases these will suit the EA and not necessarily the user.
To most users of EA navigations the new powers won by the EA will come as a complete surprise, it has probably not been the subject of barstool chats at RCC for the last 6 years.
Was it to much to ask that the EA wrote to its users to explain what the new powers would mean? The EA should be reminded that they look after our assets not theirs and the way they do the job should be on the basis of consultation and not decree.
In all other walks of life we are being told that choice is good and large unaccountable organisations are bad, our waterways are too precious to put this to the test.
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I see nothing in the rules that say the charge levied must be relative to the facilities offered by the waterway. I think many Medway license holders would prefer the exercise than the extra £270 license fee.
Harmonisation suggests to me that the agency will be able to cherry pick regulations from the different navigations and in most cases these will suit the EA and not necessarily the user.
To most users of EA navigations the new powers won by the EA will come as a complete surprise, it has probably not been the subject of barstool chats at RCC for the last 6 years.
Was it to much to ask that the EA wrote to its users to explain what the new powers would mean? The EA should be reminded that they look after our assets not theirs and the way they do the job should be on the basis of consultation and not decree.
In all other walks of life we are being told that choice is good and large unaccountable organisations are bad, our waterways are too precious to put this to the test.