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Andy Bav

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Just an observation, but we took delivery of our boat in late July and in our marina a new Grand Banks turned up followed by a Minor Offshore - all within 2 weeks. In my opinion of the 3 ours was the most modern design.

Looking at some recent posts it does seem as though there is a degree of support for the less modern layout / design and I wondered if this is the start of a trend ? We have often thought if Ford re launched the Capri whether it would be succesful or not ..

So I guess the question is, given the choice of a new build would you prefer an ultra modern new design / layout or go traditional.

Personally as far as cruisers are conncerned I am happy with what we have, but if we looked at a day boat the Riva / Chris Craft - Riviera / gentlemans speed boat look lovely....
 
Andy Bav said:
Just an observation, but we took delivery of our boat in late July and in our marina a new Grand Banks turned up followed by a Minor Offshore - all within 2 weeks. In my opinion of the 3 ours was the most modern design.

Looking at some recent posts it does seem as though there is a degree of support for the less modern layout / design and I wondered if this is the start of a trend ? We have often thought if Ford re launched the Capri whether it would be succesful or not ..

So I guess the question is, given the choice of a new build would you prefer an ultra modern new design / layout or go traditional.

Personally as far as cruisers are conncerned I am happy with what we have, but if we looked at a day boat the Riva / Chris Craft - Riviera / gentlemans speed boat look lovely....
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What's a Minor Offshore? Never heard of it.
 
An all weather boat from Finland:
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http://www.minoroffshore.fi/
 
Andy Bav said:
Just an observation, but we took delivery of our boat in late July and in our marina a new Grand Banks turned up followed by a Minor Offshore - all within 2 weeks. In my opinion of the 3 ours was the most modern design.

Looking at some recent posts it does seem as though there is a degree of support for the less modern layout / design and I wondered if this is the start of a trend ? We have often thought if Ford re launched the Capri whether it would be succesful or not ..

So I guess the question is, given the choice of a new build would you prefer an ultra modern new design / layout or go traditional.

Personally as far as cruisers are conncerned I am happy with what we have, but if we looked at a day boat the Riva / Chris Craft - Riviera / gentlemans speed boat look lovely....
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Ford release a new Capri? Excellent idea!
 
Traditional all the way.

Fact is, there are not may mobos I actually like. But a Grand Banks is one I like. But generally Nelsons and all those boats that have been influenced by their iconic designs over the years are right up my street.
 
Traditional interiors can be combined with stylish exterior lines. I dislike the so called ugly 'contemporary' interiors many of the fairprinlineseekers have produced in recent years. Such interior styles won't age well. They are bland, cold and sterile lacking atmoshere. Office blinds instead of curtains, white plastic, stainless steel, less real wood, windows that look like they were designed by preschoolers, mirrors everywhere and enough Del Boy bling ugly led lights to illuminate Blackpool. Traditional is timeless but need not lack style and details.
 
oceanfroggie said:
Traditional interiors can be combined with stylish exterior lines. I dislike the so called ugly 'contemporary' interiors many of the fairprinlineseekers have produced in recent years. Such interior styles won't age well. They are bland, cold and sterile lacking atmoshere. Office blinds instead of curtains, white plastic, stainless steel, less real wood, windows that look like they were designed by preschoolers, mirrors everywhere and enough Del Boy bling ugly led lights to illuminate Blackpool.
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guys,

OK, I admit I'm going through a couple of bad days and am extra grumpy, but please!

real wood???
we mean real veneer here! I wonder what boat built during the last years has any real wood in furniture.
Veneer in my eyes is on par with gelcoated grp in terms of "real" and natural.
I very much doubt the Hardy on the other thread has real wood in the cabins cabinets. All these curvy surfaces are no longer real wood unless you pay an arm and a leg for them!

Would be interesting to have a poll with:
age
schooling
occupation
income
D/SD/P/Sailing
years messing with boats

vs

traditional/modern

I'm sure it would bring some interesting results.

Apologies but I'm often upset when all variables related to seamanship, durability, varnish, etc are highly considered and normal understanding of materials, ergonomics et al are discarded. Again not saying that bling and ledstrips are neccesary or even appealing (each to their own) but a decent CRI light fixture in LED can be as good (and soon much better) than halogen.

oceanfroggie said:
Traditional is timeless but need not lack style and details.
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couldn't agree more!

cheers

V.
 
oceanfroggie said:
Traditional interiors can be combined with stylish exterior lines. I dislike the so called ugly 'contemporary' interiors many of the fairprinlineseekers have produced in recent years. Such interior styles won't age well. They are bland, cold and sterile lacking atmoshere. Office blinds instead of curtains, white plastic, stainless steel, less real wood, windows that look like they were designed by preschoolers, mirrors everywhere and enough Del Boy bling ugly led lights to illuminate Blackpool. Traditional is timeless but need not lack style and details.
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Completely agree.....apart from the blinds :-)

The teak interior if our Broom is quite superb and at over twenty years old still looks great. Changing the curtains for blinds has only improved it IMHO (but that is a personal taste thing). Whilst i don't dislike the current offerings from Broom i doubt that they will look quite so good in twenty years time.
 
Personally I love traditional looks; like Itama (pre 2012 is better) and those similar to it, and also the latest take on some of the lobster designs like Hinckley, San Juan, and the Grand Bank Eastbay series to name a few.
I am also a fan of old Italian builds most of which of wood like the old Cantieri di Pisa, Baglietto, Lavagnia Admiral, Canados etc etc. I think they get a timeless look to them which never gets out of fashion....

I think and I said this quite a few times some latest designs of recent years, are also forgetting how outside of a boat should look....
 
@ Vas, post 12,
You are way off the mark IMHO in arguing that solid wood is better than veneered wood. The very finest furniture ever made, going back a couple of hundred years, as well as today, is veneered where sheet forms are required. Buy a Linley desk or table for 100k and it will be veneered. Sure the edges will be lipped in solid wood but the flat surfaces will be veneered. Wood as a material just will not stay flat. Veneered is definitely not inferior in the eyes of furniture connoisseurs.

Ref LED internal lighting, you can already buy fixtures that are better (in terms of ambiance, feel, CRI) than halogen, straight from cantalupi catalogue these days
 
How about a modernised traditional design? I personally love the classic Sunseekers and Princesses etc but there are many design improvements in their modern equivalents and I can see a market for refitted classics in a few years. The market won't always be in a slump and refitting to modern standards with better equipment and more efficient engines will become a realistic possibility as the global market grows. Many of the 70's, 80's & even 90's vessels were very basic in terms of equipment and fittings and there's perhaps quite a bit of middle-ground between the traditional and the modern? Adding modern electronics usually results in a mish-mash of retro-fit and compromises, but remolding consoles and interiors can resolve much of this. I suspect the big costs like marine engines etc will fall in real terms as global volumes increase and more gets outsourced to the developing world - this will make re-engine prospects more viable. I have a blank canvas with the old Fletcher Arrowbolt I'm working on and the plan is quite radical in some areas. I hope to achieve a classic with a standard of fitting/functionality similar to a modern equivalent - time will tell if it works as planned! :)
 
Little Ship is the smallest Grand Banks that they made....... All wood and Burmese teak everywhere.

Whether one likes traditional designs or modern is very personal, for me it's obvious. Everywhere I go with Little Ship somebody will come over to look and talk to me, that DOSENT happen with a modern plastic fantastic. Most people love to see a well kept wood/traditional boat.... Either mobo or sail but very few want the expense and time to keep one in top condition.

When it comes to comfort.... a traditional boat can be fitted out to be just as comfortable as a modern one using the latest materials, in some circumstances even better. LS has a full size oven and Fridge, not something you will normally find in a modern equivalent sized vessel.

The biggest difference for me is time, time in upkeep and time to get to places.

Aesthetically traditional boats like cars have a more pleasing charm..... That is unless you prefer the jelly mould designs which has crept into every design aspect of the modern world since computers have been utilised in the design process.

Name one item that is now designed by a brain and craftsman and not CAD

Now if I was time short............ ?

Tom.
 
jfm said:
@ Vas, post 12,
You are way off the mark IMHO in arguing that solid wood is better than veneered wood. The very finest furniture ever made, going back a couple of hundred years, as well as today, is veneered where sheet forms are required. Buy a Linley desk or table for 100k and it will be veneered. Sure the edges will be lipped in solid wood but the flat surfaces will be veneered. Wood as a material just will not stay flat. Veneered is definitely not inferior in the eyes of furniture connoisseurs.
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John, I fully agree, I've designed and supervised the construction of quite a number of furniture and they were mostly veneered MDF...
However, I never said solid wood is better than veneered manmade substructure things... I merely said
is on par with gelcoated grp in terms of "real" and natural
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which I firmly believe.
anyway, was in exceptionally bad mood these last few days feeling better now :D

I'll try and post a new thread on bathing platform design that I'd very much like your opinion and ideas btw ;)


jfm said:
Ref LED internal lighting, you can already buy fixtures that are better (in terms of ambiance, feel, CRI) than halogen, straight from cantalupi catalogue these days
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quite right!

cheers

V.
 
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