ianwright
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If you were in the market for a traditional displacement cruiser of around 45ft loa, properly built in wood , which designer would you choose, and which yard?
IanW
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Traditional Motor Cruiser?
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burgundyben
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Well, I reckon a Jonh Bain designed James Silver built would have to be pretty high on the list, also a Bates Star craft, not sure of the designer, one at the yard I was at was teak on oak and very nicely built.
miket
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For Bates Starcraft see www.bates-starcraft.co.uk
There is a 40 footer for sale (mid 60's) at £35k which sounds very nice and original but will require a lot of time and/or money to put into top condition.
So much depends on required use?
The Silvers are great but draw too much for inland use. James Miller of St Monance made a range of MFV style of motor sailers from 25 ft to 40 ft called "Fifers". Beautiful workmanship/ materials and character.
The Ramparts still look the part (35 to 45 feet) without being too old.
All of these will require regular attention once in a good state but should not be excessive amounts of work.
There is a 40 footer for sale (mid 60's) at £35k which sounds very nice and original but will require a lot of time and/or money to put into top condition.
So much depends on required use?
The Silvers are great but draw too much for inland use. James Miller of St Monance made a range of MFV style of motor sailers from 25 ft to 40 ft called "Fifers". Beautiful workmanship/ materials and character.
The Ramparts still look the part (35 to 45 feet) without being too old.
All of these will require regular attention once in a good state but should not be excessive amounts of work.
LittleShip
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No contest??
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ianwright
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Just to be clear, this isn't for me, I'm a sailing type, but a pal with a lot more spare cash than me fancies a bespoke pre-war style "Gentlemans twin screw motor cruiser. NEW (!) built in, as he said, of "real timber"by "real shipwrights", for coastal (North Sea) and continental cruising. Think varnish, long low and slim, no epoxy, no plywood. Clinker dinghy in davits on the side deck. A boat that you would not feel out of place in if you had a taste for white covers on Yottin' caps and proper flag drill. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif His doctor has told him he is to old for sailing to the Baltic so,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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LittleShip
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"Just to be clear, this isn't for me,"
Oh yea!!.......... We have all heard that one, "hello Doctor, I’ve got this friend who........"
Come on own up!! no need to be ashamed cos your fed up with sails.
Oh yea!!.......... We have all heard that one, "hello Doctor, I’ve got this friend who........"
Come on own up!! no need to be ashamed cos your fed up with sails.
jhr
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Interesting question.
All of the builders that have been mentioned here no longer exist, and I don't know where you'd go, nowadays, to have a boat like this built.
I'd say that the Rampart comes closest to what your friend has in mind, but to have something like that built from scratch would cost an awful lot of money. Might almost be better to buy a late example, from the 60's, and have it rebuilt and re-engined.
Here's a nice one that they made earlier:
All of the builders that have been mentioned here no longer exist, and I don't know where you'd go, nowadays, to have a boat like this built.
I'd say that the Rampart comes closest to what your friend has in mind, but to have something like that built from scratch would cost an awful lot of money. Might almost be better to buy a late example, from the 60's, and have it rebuilt and re-engined.
Here's a nice one that they made earlier:
ianwright
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Oh yea!!.......... We have all heard that one, "hello Doctor, I’ve got this friend who........"
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Not this time. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I've got the boat that suits me, I want no other. Even if I did I suspect I'd come up very short indeed of what my pal is thinking of. Though I can see why he's thinking of it,,,,,,,,,
IanW
Oh yea!!.......... We have all heard that one, "hello Doctor, I’ve got this friend who........"
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Not this time. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I've got the boat that suits me, I want no other. Even if I did I suspect I'd come up very short indeed of what my pal is thinking of. Though I can see why he's thinking of it,,,,,,,,,
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MapisM
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This Italian shipyard is to my knowledge the nearest to your friend's requirements.
And each boat built can be fully customised according to the owner's requests.
Just a warning: they build only a couple of boats per year, and the shipyard owner/founder is rather old...
...I wouldn't bet on the continuation of the production, whenever this gentleman would decide to give up.
I know him personally, PM me if you're interested to get in contact.
And each boat built can be fully customised according to the owner's requests.
Just a warning: they build only a couple of boats per year, and the shipyard owner/founder is rather old...
...I wouldn't bet on the continuation of the production, whenever this gentleman would decide to give up.
I know him personally, PM me if you're interested to get in contact.
burgundyben
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I reckon C and N in Gosport could do it, as could Fairlie Restorations, as could the Elephant yard, and I bet would be no problem for Peter Freebody to name but a few
ianwright
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Thanks, I know the Italians a doing some very good work, and the boat in your link looks good to my sailcloth shrouded eye but, Italian? Hm,,,,,, I doubt that a non British boat would fill the bill. I say no more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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LittleShip
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Ian
Have a look at this site under "motor" you will have to sign in but there are a few very nice gentlemans cruisers if thats the price range your mate is looking at...........
http://www.classic-yachts.de/index.HTM
I go to this site and dream???? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Have a look at this site under "motor" you will have to sign in but there are a few very nice gentlemans cruisers if thats the price range your mate is looking at...........
http://www.classic-yachts.de/index.HTM
I go to this site and dream???? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
miket
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In view of some of your further comments below there is another more realistic alternative.
Turkey!!
I know it is not British but if you have a new build in this country in timber it will cost mega bucks.
I had a quote for a luxury Traditional Turkish Gulet, timber or steel hull, at around 20m of $300k, only a couple of years ago.
You don't have to have a Gulet.
They also do Motor Yachts.
The standard of carpentry and timber is not up to C&N standards but for the difference it's a hell of a lot of boat.
Company is Aegean Yachting. A search should turn up their website.
I think the write up on the Fleurs de Lys sums up ownership of traditional boats that are maintained to this standard - EXPENSIVE! I note there was no price!
And I am the Treasurer of the Thames Traditional Boat Rally. They'll never speak to me again!!
Turkey!!
I know it is not British but if you have a new build in this country in timber it will cost mega bucks.
I had a quote for a luxury Traditional Turkish Gulet, timber or steel hull, at around 20m of $300k, only a couple of years ago.
You don't have to have a Gulet.
They also do Motor Yachts.
The standard of carpentry and timber is not up to C&N standards but for the difference it's a hell of a lot of boat.
Company is Aegean Yachting. A search should turn up their website.
I think the write up on the Fleurs de Lys sums up ownership of traditional boats that are maintained to this standard - EXPENSIVE! I note there was no price!
And I am the Treasurer of the Thames Traditional Boat Rally. They'll never speak to me again!!
