Totally stupid boats

[jfm]

Re: disagreeing on sq58

Yes I recall the Volvo service book says every 800 hours and then also include its in the every 12 months list. That is plainly nonsense as valve clearance wear is not time-related. The helpful monaco marine have the nous to know that this is not a 12-monthly job. I am 100% sure that on our boat this work will be done based on hours not months! Just needs the owner to ignore the bolx in the service book and use some independednt thought process. Who would put their hand in a fire if the volvo book told threm to?

hammerhead full of furniture sounds a lot. Maybe the guys in your example were employed by fairline, I dunno. I do know that minimal furniture removal is needed. Yes the carpet is glued....with double side tape around the edges. No big deal, you peel it off and replace.

But what I'm saying is that your example sounds like thicko workmen, not design fault. Email me the pics if you like - jmaxey@btinterent.com. Ok with big files, it's broadband. I'll see if it looks like more furniture was removed than on our boat - which would imply duff workmanship not duff design. If the engines are volv that should be clear from the pics too

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[jfm]

stefan do you mean sq 58 or 59? Very difrunt boats

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[Gludy]

Re: disagreeing on sq58

I will offload the pics from my camara and send you some.m They include the rocker cover off.


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[stefan]

OK! Confessing to having poured gasoline in the fire!

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[jfm]

Re: disagreeing on sq58

Thanks Gludy, will takea look and let you know. Incidentally I dont htink there were 2 versions of Sq58. If the pics show different stuff from my boat, I'll ask Andy Pope at Fairline about it. He designed the boat so he should know

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[EME]

Sorry !

Gludy

I did try and warn you ! Appears only one version .. so poor mtce ( I'm ashamed to say in Wales) to blame ?

Sq 58 has a clean 'owner' bill of health. So anything else of value in what you said ? Perhaps all boats have highly commendable build quality ? What lurks in the Marlowe? Leading edge designs tend to have problems?



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[mehei]

Stb engine oil dip stick is inboard with easy access
Do not understand your problem

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[jfm]

Re: Sorry !

Aaaargh. it's marlow not marlowe. Evryone's doing it!!

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[EME]

Re: Sorry !

Apologies to all inc Gludy ! I did know that , please put it down to my 'classical history ' and ' English Academic' / Clever-Dick background...

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[Wiggo]

Re: disagreeing on sq58

If anything like other boats, there are as many variants as hull numbers...

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[Gludy]

Re: Sorry !

I know what I saw with my own eyes and know how long it all took.

I also consider it absurd that any furniture should be removed at all. However, I accept that that is a value judgement.

I do consider that the 58 has the best designed flybridge anywhere.

I will be sending some photos andto jfm and may pun=blish a few. Its not my boat I was just the cameara man for legal purposes

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Turbo 36?

Dont believe the T36 story. How can a boat survive 15yrs or so without the s/b engine oil being checked? I've owned a T36 in the past and yes engine access was not the best but I dont remember checking engine oil levels to be a problem although access to the gearboxes and sternglands was a job for double jointed dwarfs only
In general, I agree with you though that it seems designers give little thought to access to components for servicing. On my current boat, the first owner specified the largest generator option but this means that the generator covers the access panel to the aft bilge pump. Doh! I've had to modify the access panel just to be able to check the operation of the bilge pump

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[Gludy]

Re: Turbo 36?

Mike
I was only told about the T36 and did not see it myself as I did with the Squadron 58.

My point, as you understood, is a general one. I think that having to spend even hours and remove furntire that is too much to store in the cockpit and has to overflow onto the pontoon just to remove rocker covers is absurd, others do not.

I know that it sometimes takes days to do a new cable run on a boat say from lower to upper helm and i know some makers offer as an extra some empty plastic tubing with some draw strings in them. .... its the fact that such things aare even seen as optional extras that fascinates me.

I also know that to build a more sensible boat probably means losing some of the wow factor ..... in the end of the day the makers survive only by giving the customer what they want. At a boat show the wow factor is very important and it seems to be what sells boats.

Invriably when folks come onto to my boat for the first time there is a wow factor with all the highly polished wood etc but a satin finish would have been more appropriate at the cost of some wow factor.

The wow factor in itself cannot be ignored, even I did not buy the cara because I thought it lacked it ... its a balance and I suppose we all have to make our own choices.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: Turbo 36?

Agree there's a wow factor but many buyers of new boats are experienced owners who also look for the practical aspects of the boat as well
Actually, I dont think its unreasonable to have to remove some bits of furniture to remove the rocker covers from the engines on any boat. As jfm says, its a compromise between living space and once in a while engine access. I think there is a distinction between what components you might need to get at in a hurry whilst at sea and those you dont. What I would have a big problem with is having to remove furniture and carpets to get at service items like impellors, filters, belts etc

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[Alistairr]

C'mon then, Publish the photos.



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[jfm]

Re: Sorry !

Hi Gludy - I dont doubt you saw it, I believe you 100% that there was a massive job underway and a quay full of furniture. All I'm saying is that it very much sounds like the guys doing it didn't need to. In other words it was the fitters' fault, not fairline's. But send the photos - let's see if we can diagnose!



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[burgundyben]

Re: Squadron 58

You're right in one respect, that we should demand the highest standards, but from reading JFM's post it sounds like the problem lies more with workmanship than with the design of the boat itself. Maybe that's what you meant and emotions about your boat being pulled apart made you view the activities that went on from a view point that was a little distorted?

So, once in a while the sofa has to be moved and the floor lifted to allow maintenance, in exchange you get a decent layout, sounds an ok swap to me.

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[jfm]

oops wrong email address

Gludy there was a typo in my email address in the post above. I'm sure you can guess, but you might be cutting/pasting. It should have read jmaxey@btinternet.com

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[paulineb]

Another example ..... why are all bottle holders round in the drinks cabinet, but bottles are all different shapes ??? What's that all about ????????

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[jfm]

You need to alter the shape with one of those round motorised things about 8 inches long. A dremel

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