I disagree. Most of the boats on inland waterways have the capability to travel at much quicker speeds. Yet the skippers of said boats are much more in tune with their surroundings and proceed at a sensible speed. Unlike their coastal cousins that travel everywhere at near full chat irresepctive of their surroundings.
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whilst i agree that they are pinsharp in close quarter handling, wot about with tide and wind eh? Notmuch of that on inland waterways or is there?
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Again I'll have to disagree. Narrowboaters use the tide to aid their passage where they enter tidal stretches.The Thames tideway a perfect example. In saying that have you ever been on the tideway in wind over tide conditions? Its not as straight foreward as you'd think due to the river meandering across the apparent wind.
must be best sort of navigators as well using sextant n compass etc.Mean no modern namby pamby modern aids required.When was the last time you saw a radar or laptop navigation system on a narrow boat.
Gotta take your hats of to them.Prob can find their way using the stars and albatross,s and stuff.
At the risk of introducing semantics;
Boathandling at 30 knots is "helming" not boat handling. Anyway, by and large, George does this with occasional help.
Boathandling is getting into your marina berth on a windy day (blowing offshore of course) with the tide/ current doing nothing to help. Also, dropping your anchor in Studland Bay such that you don't collide with neighbours. Tying between 2 posts in Yarmouth Harbour with a F6 crosswind, without resorting to help from the harbourmaster.
I sincerely hope you do not teach your students to do this at 30 knots
As an ex narrow boater, I've got to agree with you Barry.
Ever tried getting a boat of 6ft11in beam into a space 6ft111/2ins wide. Boat should be 6ft10in, but they spread with age, just like humans really/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Locks should be 7ft wide but they cave inwards with age. Fenders? No room for 'em.
As for navigation, go to Birmingham and see how easy it is to get lost on the BCN. People have disappeared at Spon Lane, and entered the Dudley Tunnel never to be seen again. GPS no good in a tunnel!
River boaters should not be classified just as ditch crawlers with no knowledge of wind or tide.
Whilst Thames based, many of us here are very sea competent and frankly the Thames from Teddington down to Chatham is very testing. Very strong tidal flows, heavy commercial traffic, heavy leisure traffic (including rowing skiffs and small sailing dinghies), low bridges and locks.
Equally we are equally comfortable at sea, my new Broom 42 is capable of in excess of 30 knots and is very seaworthy. My previous Broom 38 took us to France, Belgium, Holland and all the way down the south coast. But we simply prefer rivers for the peace, wildlife and restaurants.
The trick with boat HANDLING in confined spares is trying to get the wind and tide to help you.
Some of the boats I have worked on , their tick over speed is 8 knots, and as for force 6-7 in Yarmouth have done it and talked students though doing it on more than one occasion. I gained a lot of my experience around poole in a 52ft boat.
I leave parking at 30 knots to those with a death wish.
Think that covers that.
If you saw this lot up here on the Lancaster canal, you would not be saying that. One of the tests in there boat handling compitition is. They have to stop for a few seconds in the middle of the basin!! They dont all pass that test. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
You wouldn't say that if you'd seen the mooring I had on the Thames. There was insufficient room to back straight out due to moorings opposite, so all you could do was dab the power every so often, while the stern came out, then steer and dab some more (can't steer too much or too soon though, as another boat to my starboard only 2 ' away).
However, with up to 6knts of current coming down the channel, and wind howling across the open plain on the other side of the river, the back end was taken in the wrong direction the minute it cleared the end of the pontoon. It took me a year to be able to do it without springs and friends, but ended up taking it in and out, even when the Thames was in flood, singlehanded.
The first year nearly put me off boating for life though.
A planing boat at 30 knots is easier to handle than at displacement speed. For a start it reacts to the helm almost instantly where at displacement speed there is a lag.
I can't uphold you argument that river boaters would be any less capable at 30 knots plus.
I have berthed on a canal for the last 14 years and there is still wind inland, in fact we cast off in stronger winds as we do not need to worry about sea state.
OK there is not tide but we do get floods that run in excess of 7mph
I once had to plane to get back to my berth after I over shot.
I have cruised inland to Lincoln, Nottingham and Goole along side Steel Narrow boats.
I have cruised coastal to Farne Islands, Channel Islands, France, Belgium and Holland
I confirm I cause as much damage on either Inland or coastal.
I further confirm Steel Narrow Boaters have no more idea of boat control than Southern softies. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif