Tidy electrics

[PabloPicasso]

I want to tidy the mess of data cables, plotter/vhf/ais connectors etc.

I would like to mount all connections on a board, perhaps using wago connectors.

Where can I get wago mouting clips like the ones in the pic. I think these are from a hobbiest 3d printer, but I don't have access to such.

Any ideas?

 

[Ostara24]

I used wago to tidy up my new install, highly recommended. Very useful at bottom of mast for connectors for wind etc as they simply open and shut with no cutting.

Cannot see your photo and I am unable to post pics for some reason, but I used CEF, here is a link to the carrier plates I think you meann

https://www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/search?q=Wago mounting carrier

Good luck.

 

[Alex_Blackwood]

I want to tidy the mess of data cables, plotter/vhf/ais connectors etc.

I would like to mount all connections on a board, perhaps using wago connectors.

Where can I get wago mouting clips like the ones in the pic. I think these are from a hobbiest 3d printer, but I don't have access to such.

Any ideas?

Wago

 

[Tranona]

You can make your own by epoxying them onto a board. You can see one in the middle of the photo

 

[thinwater]

It seems a WAGO DIN rail connector may be implicated in the crash of the Dali into the Baltimore rt 95 bridge.
Dali crash investigation

I'm not banging on WAGO. They have their up-sides. But maybe they are not everything, just easier and faster ... but not more secure. We also don't know the outcome of the investigation.

 

[Boathook]

I feel that wago are good but the cables do need to be restrained so that there is no stress on the connectors.

 

[PaulRainbow]

It seems a WAGO DIN rail connector may be implicated in the crash of the Dali into the Baltimore rt 95 bridge.
Dali crash investigation

I'm not banging on WAGO. They have their up-sides. But maybe they are not everything, just easier and faster ... but not more secure. We also don't know the outcome of the investigation.

The report you linked to says "A terminal block, an insulated block connecting multiple wires, was removed from the control circuit, along with two sections of control wiring. The NTSB Materials Laboratory is currently examining these components."

Not sure that means "implicated". More like they are trying to identify what went wrong.

 

[steveeasy]

Not sure I get WAGO clips or if they are as good as people think.

What does one use them for ? And why are they better than more traditional methods of say joining 2 wires together.

Steveeasy

 

[Roberto]

The report you linked to says "A terminal block, an insulated block connecting multiple wires, was removed from the control circuit, along with two sections of control wiring. The NTSB Materials Laboratory is currently examining these components."

The complexity of a ship wiring is probably 10 power 4-5-6...10+ with regards to a leisure boat, my pilot uncle came down with his fighter plane because of a loose bolt, if a plane came down let's immediately remove all bolts anywhere because they are unsafe

 

[pmagowan]

Wago are super easy for use in home wiring installations. On a boat I would use crimped ring connectors with heat shrink glue terminals and a screw bus bar. All these bits are standard in boat electrics for a reason.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Wago are super easy for use in home wiring installations. On a boat I would use crimped ring connectors with heat shrink glue terminals and a screw bus bar. All these bits are standard in boat electrics for a reason.

Standard where ?

I know of all sorts of connectors being used, some of which i wouldn't touch with a barge pole. On expensive " top of the range" production boats.

 

[thinwater]

The report you linked to says "A terminal block, an insulated block connecting multiple wires, was removed from the control circuit, along with two sections of control wiring. The NTSB Materials Laboratory is currently examining these components."

Not sure that means "implicated". More like they are trying to identify what went wrong.

Agreed. But unless something about the unit failed I don't think they would have removed that specific one. So there is some "implication" from this action. However, there is no "implication" that the failure was due to Wago. More likely, I think, that it was an installation error, such as incorrect wire insertion or stripping. Or maybe lack of strain relief. We just don't know. We only know that they are investigating the power system.

We will wait for the report.

 

[thinwater]

ABYC is a little vague on spring/cage clamp connectors. E-11 says no wire nuts, no set screws direct against wires, and no solder-only connections, but makes no direct references, yay or nay, to this generation of connectors.

I use Wago and I like them for many things. But I also accept that they are not fool proof and not for everything.

I'm expecting it to be a combination of insufficiently robust circuit design and an installer error, and not the component itself. But that's just a guess from the peanut gallery and we'll see.

 

[Daverw]

It seems a WAGO DIN rail connector may be implicated in the crash of the Dali into the Baltimore rt 95 bridge.
Dali crash investigation

I'm not banging on WAGO. They have their up-sides. But maybe they are not everything, just easier and faster ... but not more secure. We also don't know the outcome of the investigation.

That’s not the sort of waggo we are using but has been used for many years as the normally din rail connection used in industrial plc control panels, used with solid core control cable, pushed in and released with small terminal screwdriver pushed in the hole. The common issue is trapped outer in the connection when not stripped enough

 

[Roberto]

Wago are super easy for use in home wiring installations. On a boat I would use crimped ring connectors with heat shrink glue terminals and a screw bus bar. All these bits are standard in boat electrics for a reason.

How would you crimp 0.x sqmm data cables having just a handful of hair-thin copper wire filaments ?

 

[Iliade]

How would you crimp 0.x sqmm data cables having just a handful of hair-thin copper wire filaments ?

With one of these. Less inexpensive original tools may be available... Used to assemble this sort of connector, which was the gold standard twenty years ago, no idea if they still are.

 

[PaulRainbow]

ABYC is a little vague on spring/cage clamp connectors. E-11 says no wire nuts, no set screws direct against wires, and no solder-only connections, but makes no direct references, yay or nay, to this generation of connectors.

I use Wago and I like them for many things. But I also accept that they are not fool proof and not for everything.

I'm expecting it to be a combination of insufficiently robust circuit design and an installer error, and not the component itself. But that's just a guess from the peanut gallery and we'll see.

No mention of them in the UK/EU ISO either. Wire nuts are also forbidden here.

 

[PaulRainbow]

With one of these. Less inexpensive original tools may be available... Used to assemble this sort of connector, which was the gold standard twenty years ago, no idea if they still are.

Yes indeed, a tool costing £850 and some £20 - £30 connectors is a great alternative to some £20 strippers and a 50p Wago

 

[PaulRainbow]

That’s not the sort of waggo we are using but has been used for many years as the normally din rail connection used in industrial plc control panels, used with solid core control cable, pushed in and released with small terminal screwdriver pushed in the hole. The common issue is trapped outer in the connection when not stripped enough

I recently re-wired the rats nest of wiring at my lower helm. Harness from engine, needs to go to the analogue gauges, digital to analogue converters etc. I chose the Wago DIN rail connectors and they work fine with stranded cable, as long as bootlace ferules are crimped onto the cables. The ferules rule out the trapped outer issue too.

 

[PabloPicasso]

You can make your own by epoxying them onto a board. You can see one in the middle of the photo

Well that's a good idea.

Not sure I get WAGO clips or if they are as good as people think.

What does one use them for ? And why are they better than more traditional methods of say joining 2 wires together.

Steveeasy

. More traditional methods?
Choc block conmecters, for those very thin data wires?

Wago are super easy for use in home wiring installations. On a boat I would use crimped ring connectors with heat shrink glue terminals and a screw bus bar. All these bits are standard in boat electrics for a reason.

Crimping small data wires?

With one of these. Less inexpensive original tools may be available... Used to assemble this sort of connector, which was the gold standard twenty years ago, no idea if they still are.

Okay, so for connecting two multicore data cables with hair thin wires that mighy do. What if ita a 3 way connection.

Its a Garmin 550 plotter (with one cable to cockpit mount and anothwr to navtable mount) a horizon HX1500E, and ais receiver.

All sharing gps data.

I know its all old hat tech, bit all works. The cable connections are just in a spaghetti like mess, and I'd like to tidy it up and give it all some order.

So it looks organised, connectiins are clearly labelled, and fuses etc easily accessible if needs be.