Their old project... MFV Wylam

[MYStargazer]

As a counterpoint to the Elizmor thread – here’s a couple from a very different generation.

They’re also in a horrid situation. But, as well as keeping this thread afloat, you can help them right now by quickly signing here…

http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitio...utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

I knew them from years back when I was a student living aboard in the then new Poplar Dock.

You couldn't meet a more pleasant and hard-working couple. Their plight speaks for itself.

Please - just have a quick look - and sign.

Thanks for your time.

 

[jerrytug]

Signed

 

[dom]

I'd sign it if it was a Downing Street petition, but wouldn't put so many personal dets into a private website.

 

[MYStargazer]

I'd sign it if it was a Downing Street petition, but wouldn't put so many personal dets into a private website.

I used an old address. I doubt they'd sell on details - and given the subject matter I don't care.

 

[dunmor]

I used an old address. I doubt they'd sell on details - and given the subject matter I don't care.

the only reason there being evicted is because they refuse to pay the new increased mooring fees.
if they pay up like all the others they would probally be allowed to stay.

 

[jerrytug]

I used an old address. I doubt they'd sell on details - and given the subject matter I don't care.

Me too, no need to give your real details, it's a petition to raise awareness. Soon someone will be on here calling them scroungers, freeloaders, hobos, feckless, lowlife, scum, parasites, just you wait

edited to add, Dunmor got the ball rolling..

 

[dunmor]

Me too, no need to give your real details, it's a petition to raise awareness. Soon someone will be on here calling them scroungers, freeloaders, hobos, feckless, lowlife, scum, parasites, just you wait

edited to add, Dunmor got the ball rolling..

took the words right out of my mouth

 

[Rigger Mortice]

There was a similar posting a few weeks ago. Similar comments about vulnerable people, human rights and so on. Several people jumped in to sign, then it slowly emerged that there was more to the story than was being told. I never sign these things unless and until I have all the facts.
This one may or may not be genuine. It may be that Dunmor has got it right. Certainly the waterways people don't evict until all other avenues have been explored.

 

[MYStargazer]

the only reason there being evicted is because they refuse to pay the new increased mooring fees.
if they pay up like all the others they would probally be allowed to stay.

Do you know that?

 

[JumbleDuck]

Do you know that?

One online source says that they are being evicted after being abusive to BW staff, something their supporters firmly reject. It would be good to see an impartial report of both sides of the matter.

 

[jerrytug]

One online source says that they are being evicted after being abusive to BW staff, something their supporters firmly reject. It would be good to see an impartial report of both sides of the matter.

Because one's priceless online box-tick is such a valuable, unsustainable resource that it would be grossly wasteful, immoral even, to take the tiniest risk of wasting a virtual signature to help anybody who might be undeserving, or rude to bailiffs, perish the thought.

 

[Seajet]

Because one's priceless online box-tick is such a valuable, unsustainable resource that it would be grossly wasteful, immoral even, to take the tiniest risk of wasting a virtual signature to help anybody who might be undeserving, or rude to bailiffs, perish the thought.

No, because such requests for signatures can be misleading.

I was one of those taken in by the petition to save liveaboards on the canals, and as it was presented by the OP it was a just cause, certainly the case he was referring to was exactly that; BUT it transpired there was a whole subtext, where other liveaboards did not come out too well at all, grabbing people's moorings if they dared use their boat for a weekend trip for instance.

I am sorry for the people in the OP, as it would seem they are an example of what happens to whistle blowers or anyone who dares to complain to or about big business in the modern UK, but I think the best way to direct group energy would be to find them a new mooring or alternative place to live.

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Because one's priceless online box-tick is such a valuable, unsustainable resource that it would be grossly wasteful, immoral even, to take the tiniest risk of wasting a virtual signature to help anybody who might be undeserving, or rude to bailiffs, perish the thought.

Alternatively it may be that these on line petitions often achieve diddly squat because everyone knows that many signatures are given by people who have fallen for a sob story and not bothered to check the facts.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Because one's priceless online box-tick is such a valuable, unsustainable resource that it would be grossly wasteful, immoral even, to take the tiniest risk of wasting a virtual signature to help anybody who might be undeserving, or rude to bailiffs, perish the thought.

Yup.

 

[mersey]

the only reason there being evicted is because they refuse to pay the new increased mooring fees.
if they pay up like all the others they would probally be allowed to stay.

Wrong!

Rod has fully paid up his mooring fees in advance.

He took them to the small claims court, not the other way around, and this is on the advise of the Waterways Ombudsman, all he did was follow the complaints procedure, and then take the ombudsman's advise.

Rod is 75, his partner is a pensioner too, they are both recovering from cancer, and he has heart failure.

 

[mersey]

One online source says that they are being evicted after being abusive to BW staff, something their supporters firmly reject. It would be good to see an impartial report of both sides of the matter.

Having over the years sailed with Rod more times than I can count, and spent weeks with him at a time, I can certainly say he is not in any way abusive, he is simply not that type of person.

You should also note they only have put that in the letter to him, but not used it as the reason to terminate his contract, instead taking the no reason needed clause in the T&C's. Also the CaRT statement from BWML, doesn't mention that either as they know it's untrue and defamatory.

More info on what's going on here : http://wylam.boatersrights.org

 

[Bru]

I'll do more detail tomorrow if necessary when I'm on the puter not the moby ..

this case is very different to the CaRT section 8 issue discussed extensively on Liveaboard as this time it's a dispute over contracts between a legitimate moorer and the moorings provider which happens to be a commercial subsidiary of the Trust

the dispute, arising out of the imposition of significant increases in mooring charges, highlights the lack of legal protection for legitimate residential boat owners on rented moorings

my sympathies on this one lean heavily towards the elderly couple concerned ( in the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing on their part)

 

[MYStargazer]

One online source says that they are being evicted after being abusive to BW staff, something their supporters firmly reject. It would be good to see an impartial report of both sides of the matter.

When I had my boat there, I found the British Waterways management, on the whole, to be arrogant, rude jobsworths. Two of them in particular were total, unremitting ********s.

By contrast, the couple in question were (and doubtless still are) the sweetest, most mild-mannered couple imaginable.

 

[Black Monkey]

One online source says that they are being evicted after being abusive to BW staff, something their supporters firmly reject. It would be good to see an impartial report of both sides of the matter.

I can assure you that this is not the case in the instances of these two individuals. Frustrated - "yes", Abusive - "absolutely not!" They've only followed the recommended process to escalate their case - and are now being penalised for it. And before anyone asks, I have seen the facts and read them all thoroughly.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Having over the years sailed with Rod more times than I can count, and spent weeks with him at a time, I can certainly say he is not in any way abusive, he is simply not that type of person.

By contrast, the couple in question were (and doubtless still are) the sweetest, most mild-mannered couple imaginable.

Gentlemen, I am happy to accept your word on this, and have duly signed. Good luck to them, and to the rest of the Poplar Dock community.