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the other post got too long.
das Boot hired a professional skipper to help - but he was on board as owner. I've seen and done this, and happen to be an owner thast would normally have a commercial skipper - and am commmercially qualified skipper too which is quite fun cos i can validly refute garbage from skippers such as "owners don't like too much cleaning going on" - altho the skipper-owner relationship is always a match made in heaven or hell.
Anyway, with a hired-in qualified skipper, the owner is on a back seat regarding sailing/commanding the boat. He is as if in his own luxury hotel. He has the right to suggest a host of changes to the skipper regarding all sorts of bits and pieces like carpets, lighting, new anything, refit everything, and the skipper will put it on his list and gets on with it when ashore or time available.
Maritime lawe requires a skipper, and a commercial skipper so hired would be in control with responsibility at sea. If the hired skipper decides it's dodgy today - then that's that - regardless of what the owner says. Likewise regarding where and when to sail.
Ultimately, the owner has a single "magic bullet" - the power to make a single decision - and that is to fire the skipper, or not.
At sea, if the commercial skipper finds that all his commands are filtered, weighed, discussed, democratised - then he isn't the skipper - he's a fall guy. He risks going along with decisions he wouldn't take - but being held responsible as the "skipper" if anything goes wrong. He would be v wise to leave the boat at the next available opportunity - and by DB's own account he did exactly that.
Outside the commercial environment - the skipper is usually the owner. The only exception to this might be when there is a vast diference twixt abilities of newbie owner and another person's brought along. In these circumstances, usually one-off, everyone should and will be v clear about who makes the decsions, but a half-decent nonowning skipper will still explain his actions to the owner. Probably best to be senior mate - not skipper.
Das boot -like it or not - you are the skipper of your own boat. If not, you have to designate another to be skipper, and take a back seat at sea.
If you choose someone, but carp up about this and that, or pull rank as owner, then *in extremis* the skipper would be probably be within his rights to confine you to your cabin, and even use reasonable force with other crew to protect his position as skipper, master under god, guardian of boat and safety of other crew, imho - and it might even be seen as his duty to do so.
Of course, he would likely resign command or "jump ship" as you put it at the next port. Your hired-in chap was perfectly correct, and i wd do the same.
If you don't like it - take the plane to the med and get the others to sail the boat. Make sure one of them is the skipper. Then he has the right to take or dump other crew -and not you: at the moment, by owning the boat and especially by selecting the crew you ARE the skipper.
das Boot hired a professional skipper to help - but he was on board as owner. I've seen and done this, and happen to be an owner thast would normally have a commercial skipper - and am commmercially qualified skipper too which is quite fun cos i can validly refute garbage from skippers such as "owners don't like too much cleaning going on" - altho the skipper-owner relationship is always a match made in heaven or hell.
Anyway, with a hired-in qualified skipper, the owner is on a back seat regarding sailing/commanding the boat. He is as if in his own luxury hotel. He has the right to suggest a host of changes to the skipper regarding all sorts of bits and pieces like carpets, lighting, new anything, refit everything, and the skipper will put it on his list and gets on with it when ashore or time available.
Maritime lawe requires a skipper, and a commercial skipper so hired would be in control with responsibility at sea. If the hired skipper decides it's dodgy today - then that's that - regardless of what the owner says. Likewise regarding where and when to sail.
Ultimately, the owner has a single "magic bullet" - the power to make a single decision - and that is to fire the skipper, or not.
At sea, if the commercial skipper finds that all his commands are filtered, weighed, discussed, democratised - then he isn't the skipper - he's a fall guy. He risks going along with decisions he wouldn't take - but being held responsible as the "skipper" if anything goes wrong. He would be v wise to leave the boat at the next available opportunity - and by DB's own account he did exactly that.
Outside the commercial environment - the skipper is usually the owner. The only exception to this might be when there is a vast diference twixt abilities of newbie owner and another person's brought along. In these circumstances, usually one-off, everyone should and will be v clear about who makes the decsions, but a half-decent nonowning skipper will still explain his actions to the owner. Probably best to be senior mate - not skipper.
Das boot -like it or not - you are the skipper of your own boat. If not, you have to designate another to be skipper, and take a back seat at sea.
If you choose someone, but carp up about this and that, or pull rank as owner, then *in extremis* the skipper would be probably be within his rights to confine you to your cabin, and even use reasonable force with other crew to protect his position as skipper, master under god, guardian of boat and safety of other crew, imho - and it might even be seen as his duty to do so.
Of course, he would likely resign command or "jump ship" as you put it at the next port. Your hired-in chap was perfectly correct, and i wd do the same.
If you don't like it - take the plane to the med and get the others to sail the boat. Make sure one of them is the skipper. Then he has the right to take or dump other crew -and not you: at the moment, by owning the boat and especially by selecting the crew you ARE the skipper.
