The Next Generation of Hardtop Sports cruisers..

Nautorius

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OK, this is a bit of a frustrated rant!

Having recently followed the trend for larger sport top (Hard Top) sports cruisers there is definitely a trend to redesigning the layouts. Originally the Hard tops were the open boats with a lid on such as the Prestige 34, the Bavarias (all Range) and even the Sealines.

However, when I got my Aquador I loved the fact that the cabin was for sleeping and the cooking was done up on deck level. This seemed to put buyers off as they wanted a galley down arrangement., However now people are finally realising that with a Hard top (open back or closed back) you can have a different layout and that having sleeping below and entertaining up above works better.

My problem is that whilst Aquador do this on their Great 28HT, The finnmaster 310OC does not. Also other new boats such as the SC35, SC29, Bavaria 35HT etc have not wised up to it. In the larger 45+ market this new layout seems to be happening.

I have to say when I had my Regal 2860 with a seating area down below we never used it as we always sit up under the covers or HT. So why is there not more manufacturers in the 28-40ft Hard Top market not taking advantage and moving the galley up to a much better location?

The only Sports-cruiser that is doing this is not yet a Hard Top. The layout is looking more and more appealing as it takes advantage of more space freed up downstairs to have a larger head and more room. That boat is the Westline W34 and I feel it is leading the way in layout design. (My opinion..I am not connected and am talking about layout not quality, support etc!!!)

So why are the Likes of Sealine, Cranchi etc so slow to react and change their perceptions? Having had a galley up on an open Hard top I would struggle to go to galley down again, especially where space is limited (sub 40ft). Surely it is better to lose the Tender garage and move up the galley or restrict seating above to Helm plus good U shape and lose the single bench. What do you all think, do other people agree with me?

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
I agree with you. I think a galley up arrangement is much more inclusive and reflects trends in houses where many people specify a large kitchen as the hub of the house; a place where people not only cook but also eat and hang out. Tucking the galley away downstairs creates a separation which works better when the cooking is done by staff rather than family and is probably better suited to crewed boats - which are unlikely to be in the sub 40' range.
 
Interesting posting. I guess people like Sealine feel they have pushed the boundaries enough at the moment so it's possibly only a question of time. For me I'm unconverted still, since I like the wind in my hair and not the sun on my head but something like a radical layout change to give more pleasent and usuable space may just turn me.
I'll look up Aquador at the next show.
 
in part, that must depend on the size of the boat. Those very practical Nordic types realised that when space is compromised, it makes sense to move the galley up on deck. But, I can see that as the boat gets bigger, the market desire changes.Now it might be that at some size, no one is ever going to use the galley anyway, coz they are all in the bistro, but the designers only sell the boat once, and if Mr wants his screens and dials and gizmos, maybe (being politically incorrect for a moment), Mrs wants a decent looking galley, and thats not going to be up outside.
Actually, its similar with caravans. Continentals have something basic inside, bcz they know everyone is going to be outside. Uk caravans have to have full cooker and hobs as though it was a four bedroom house. Nuts, but thats what the punter wants.
The Nordics have much more of a concept of summer houses than we do, and I think manyof their smaller boats are used in a similar way.. a weekender, out on the lakes/fjords. Here, you probably really are going to use the galley, bcz your miles from any option. In Uk, you are probably not more than a few hundred yards from the pub/marina bar.... its a different usage.
 
Fair Comment,

But the quality of the galley on a 'galley up' boat can be better than on the others as they have more space. I have a twin diesel hob cooker on mine, most 23 ft boats have a single electric or meths stove. Admitedly it is all more compact. but very usable!

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Poweryacht,

I do not know how I have missed it but that is very close to what I want. I prefer open back (i.e. no patio doors so that even with the innovative opening is one downside. ). I like the bunk cabin as I want twins not double and like the absolute 53 style rear cockpit with port and staboard swim platform entrance.

Any idea how much (deep intake of breath). For others she is HERE It is a bit like the Nimbus 320 or the Nimbus Nova (but a bit sexier)

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Like the Nimbus Nova but Sexier ? You cheeky bugger /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Actually I think my old Nova 33 was the sexiest looking boat I ever saw. Must admit the bigger one has lost a little something of the sleekness somehow.

Also got to admit the Riviera 3600 looks really nice.
Have they got a bigger one /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
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Poweryacht,

I do not know how I have missed it but that is very close to what I want. I prefer open back (i.e. no patio doors so that even with the innovative opening is one downside. ). I like the bunk cabin as I want twins not double and like the absolute 53 style rear cockpit with port and staboard swim platform entrance.

Any idea how much (deep intake of breath). For others she is HERE It is a bit like the Nimbus 320 or the Nimbus Nova (but a bit sexier)

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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hello Paul

I think starting price is of 300.000 EUROS (about 200 BP) but watch the USA american market and you can have a used one for about 230.000 EUs exluding transports CR rating etc
but they told me with about 10.000 EU you can fix all these
this is a fabolous boat IMO

also a video in Italian here Riviera 3600 Sport Yacht - Video
 
Very nice boat, but its only got bunks in the second cabin /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Also, what's the idea of the guard rail on the swim platform? No matter, 10 minutes with an angle grinder would sort that out /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Like the Nimbus Nova but Sexier ? You cheeky bugger /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Actually I think my old Nova 33 was the sexiest looking boat I ever saw. Must admit the bigger one has lost a little something of the sleekness somehow.

Also got to admit the Riviera 3600 looks really nice.
Have they got a bigger one /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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yeah they got 2 bigger models
the Riviera 4400 Sport Yacht presented last August in Australia and 4700 Sport Yacht
BTW hull lines are by Frank Mulder
44 is with IPS

Riviera 4400 Sport Yacht

Riviera 4700 Sport Yacht - video
 
Why galley down...

I think it all depends on how you use your boat.

Having lived with the galley down and up to 3 kids and the wife on a 34 footer I really would not want the galley anywere else but down.

Why...well they all pretty much hang around the cockpit and if we would do all the food preps etc up there as well it would be complete kaos.

Besides I like the cockpit being as "clean" as possible, it just don't feel ringt having the galley next to you when you battle 6 feet waves.
 
Re: Why galley down...

I can appreciate the extra space down below would be nice, but I have to agree that I would not want the cooking happening in the cockpit.

We only have a 32ft and it gets pretty cold up there in winter. OK we dont have a hardtop, but even if we did it would probably still have canvas at the back. Also dont fancy being on display in my underpants while making a cuppa late at night /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Re: Why galley down...

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Why not just buy some PJ's ?

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Same thing really. Daytime, sunshine, swimming trunks OK
Night time, dark, cover up a bit. Social conditioning I suppose, but I like to call it standards /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Re: Why galley down...

I also far prefer the galley up.

It just feels far more sociable, makes room downstairs and keeps the food smells out of the soft furnishings in the sleeping areas.

I too am surprised that many others aren't doing it. I was also looking at 34-40' with a hardtop, galley up, and could find nothing other than what's already been mentioned plus the upcoming Fjord 36 ( http://www.fjordboats.com/index.php?id=725&L=gb ) and the Halvorsen 38 Gourmet Cruiser ( http://www.islandgypsytx.com/h38gc.htm )
 
Neil,

I have some reservations about the C39 Sealine. For me it feels like a flybridge boat with the flybridge removed. It just does not seem to work. It also has Patio doors and although the extending cockpit is a great feature, it does limit seating. I also feel that considering that the galley is up, both cabins feel cramped.

It was a good start though, and may be the reason Sealine have not persisted with the galley up design as it has been an unpopular model.

Cheers

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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