The end of boating in Britain?

Simon,

But this isn't 'Global Warming' - not sure why everyone keeps trying to introduce it into the equation. It's a straightforward physical process. Mix fresh water into the area where the heavily saline Gulf Stream normally sinks, and upset the whole process. Gulf Stream diminishes or stops. Northern Europe no longer has benefit of Gulf Stream, and gets cold.

Many Oceanographers use the term Gulf Stream to include the whole system including the North Atlantic Drift, so you're are being a little picky. People are taught in school that it's the Gulf Stream, so why confuse them unnecessarily.

As to scientific evidence, there is a huge amount of it, but you can hardly expect a programme of under one hour to go into that level of detail. It's such a well know theory it's even mentioned in encyclopedias. The use of foraminifera in mud cores showing sea temperature is well documented and is considered an accurate measure. Likewise measurement of heavy water in ice cores is an established and accurate measurement. To go into further detail was only going to confuse laypeople with no scientific training. The source of the desalination is also a red herring - it doesn't matter where it comes from. It's the fact that it is there which causes the saline pump to stop.

As to your points 1 to 3, they relate to global warming which I believe is a total red herring in the gulf stream salinity issue

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Re: Steady state establishment

I suppose you have a professional motivation to be a member of the steady-state, been-there-done-that, you-cannot-surprise-me establishment.

However the last 20 years of science has consistently demonstrated what an unpredictable random universe we inhabit.

I am thinking virus mutations, AIDS, sun spots, near earth objects, impact craters, the Jupiter impact, killer rays from collapsing stars and now climatologists are finding geological evidence that our climate can flip in as little as 30 years.

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Re: Steady state establishment

You forgot....

the mass extinction inducing super volcanoes.. there's a burgeoning bulge of one under Yellow Stone..

and

Magnetic pole reversals too..

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Re: Steady state establishment

And today I see that teflon coated cookware kills. Where will it end?

How can you say the universe is unpredictable but then go on to predict that it is random in the same breath? If it is unpredicatable you cannot claim it is either random or not random ' cause then you are predicting its nature.

John

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Re: Steady state establishment

Dodgy argument. So we can't predict unpredictability because the unpredictability is predictable? It's the nature of future 'events' which is unpredictable, not that 'events' will occur (or not occur). Clear? (not).



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Re:Schrodinger\'s Cat

<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html>http://www.phobe.com/s_cat/s_cat.html</A>

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Re: Steady state establishment

Not dodgy at all, just the physicist coming out in me.

Is slightly related to Brendan's Schrodinger's cat, if you tried his link, (that if a cat is put in a box with a radiation source and the probability of the source emitting radiation to kill the cat was 50 % - the amount of radiation emited by a source is uncertain - then when you take the cat out again it will be 50% alive and 50% dead.

>>>> Curiosity actually killed the cat, but Brendan is the prime suspect.

John



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Re: Where will it end?

I think they call it doomsday.. you know the end of the world... that's it.. nada, no more sailing!

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Re: Steady state establishment

>>Brendan is the prime suspect<<

Twas me. I admit it. I just kept pressing the button in the link until I got a dead cat. Defeats the principle of the thing, but was great fun. I pull the legs off spiders too

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Re: Steady state establishment

I actually see that I made a booboo. The cat is only half alive and half dead until it is taken out when it becomes one or the other. I guess that means that until someone realises I was mistaken I was only half mistaken and half correct.

John

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Re: Steady state establishment

I'm rather disappointed that no one came up with credible counter arguements.
Super volcanoes are credible, there have been many of them. Magnetic pole reversals happen, and we are due for one in the next few thousand years, but the recent wonderful Auroras won't cause them as some think.

This thread seems more interesting than many, so. where did we get to with normans calculation of widespread global non-flooding?

Never mind MainlySteams misunderstanding of cat theory?
<A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.emr.hibu.no/lars/eng/cat//>click here</A>

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