The definitive anchors article?

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A fellow by the name of Bruce Jacobs has waded into the minefield of 'What's the best anchor' in a current issue of Yachting World. It seems from a Google search that he has quite some 'previous' in promoting strongly-held opinions on boaty matters. In the sense that 'there's no such thing as bad publicity, provided they spell your name right' it is evident that his business venture is named several times in each article. Which is 'fairy nuff'. I s'pose.

I don't propose to quibble with his preferences - others can and likely will do that, given the nature of the topic(s) and the nature of this community. Which is fine.

I look forward to better-informed commentators and their enlightened insights....

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Read it just now. Not terribly controversial, the main point I would disagree with is that weight is essential for good setting, but as a topic that is far from agreed here I would not make an issue of it. Rather a 'motherhood' article really, doesn't tell us a lot. And totally ignores Viking but fair enough, it is based on his experience.
 
vyv_cox said:
Read it just now. Not terribly controversial, the main point I would disagree with is that weight is essential for good setting, but as a topic that is far from agreed here I would not make an issue of it. Rather a 'motherhood' article really, doesn't tell us a lot. And totally ignores Viking but fair enough, it is based on his experience.
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I'll introduce some controversy,

There are few new anchors being introduced to the market but to ignore Viking Anchors, the quality of which is (based on the Panope spread sheets's results) is the best anchor tested under the Panope regime seems a perverse omission. Everyone knows of Rocna, Spade, Excel and Fortress. I might have thought individuals would be interested in the newest that's also the best - an independent review, independent of Panope, would be refreshing.

Aluminium anchors have no reputation of poor setting. Viking Anchors are roughly half their weight for their size, no mention, anywhere of poor setting.

Its not difficult to secure a model - they are instock, available for immediate delivery - in Belgium (unless they have sold out :( ).

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I believe there were a series of posts on Sailing Anarchy suggesting that Steve Godwin aka Panope is coming out of retirement and is reviewing the new model, Odin, from Viking. There is no mention of when a comment from Steve will be available (and I don't have a link)

Odin uses the same fluke as the original Viking, the slot in the shank of Odin is in the same place as on Viking - my testing suggest that for hold they are indistinguishable. Odin is new and manages to be as good as the original Viking without the roll bar and has no ballast. Its uncanny in terms of its setting in sand - yet for its hold its half the weight of a similarly holding Spade, Excel, Rocna et al. Odin and the original Viking save weight simply because they take advantage of High Tensile steels - the complete anchors are made from HT steels - a fabrication move that no-one else has used. Being half the weight means it competes directly with other steel anchors and outperforms aluminium anchors like Spade and Excel (check the comparison of the aluminium Spade and Excel vs Viking on the 45lb spread sheet.

Jonathan
 
So . As we're on the subject. What do we think of a anchor twice the weight for the size of boat it's intended for and length of chain. I currently have a16Kg rocnor and 40 Mts of 8mm chain thinking of reducing the amount of chain but to what length. I was thinking 10Mts. Just Chichester to Weymouth pottering usually try to be in sheltered waters no more than 6 Mts deep. Boat 28' about 4 ton.
 
billyfish said:
So . As we're on the subject. What do we think of a anchor twice the weight for the size of boat it's intended for and length of chain. I currently have a16Kg rocnor and 40 Mts of 8mm chain thinking of reducing the amount of chain but to what length. I was thinking 10Mts. Just Chichester to Weymouth pottering usually try to be in sheltered waters no more than 6 Mts deep. Boat 28' about 4 ton.
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No need to change if you can handle it OK If you don't have a windlass then a 10kg and 40 or50m of 6mm would be the choice.
 
billyfish said:
So . As we're on the subject. What do we think of a anchor twice the weight for the size of boat it's intended for and length of chain. I currently have a16Kg rocnor and 40 Mts of 8mm chain thinking of reducing the amount of chain but to what length. I was thinking 10Mts. Just Chichester to Weymouth pottering usually try to be in sheltered waters no more than 6 Mts deep. Boat 28' about 4 ton.
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I agree with Tranona. I'd sell the Rocna, use the YBW for Selling section, and replace with a 8-10kg of choice from Rocna, Spade, Excel, Vulcan or a 6/8kg Odin or Viking. Of these you may need to buy new but watch the for sale section, or Facebook Market place for Rocnas and you may win a small Rocna at a reasonable price. 6mm gal G30 chain will be ideal. Store the chain in a milk crate, its free draining.

There is nothing wrong with 8mm chain - except its heavy, it costs more and you don't need that level of strength/weight. Ours was a 38' cat, 7t and we used 8mm and downsized to high tensile 6mm

I'd source the anchor first and then buy the chain. When you buy the chain take the anchor withe you and buy a shackle that fits at the same time

Jonathan
 
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I think you'll find that milk crates in the UK have a subdivision for each bottle, so totally unsuitable for chain. But a plain, and draining, plastic crate is good.
 
NormanS said:
I think you'll find that milk crates in the UK have a subdivision for each bottle, so totally unsuitable for chain. But a plain, and draining, plastic crate is good.
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So also are plastic shopping trolleys from the likes of LIDL....

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NormanS said:
I think you'll find that milk crates in the UK have a subdivision for each bottle, so totally unsuitable for chain. But a plain, and draining, plastic crate is good.
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Maybe I'm talking of a different crate, one possibly that contained cardboard cartons of long life milk - where damage between the containers would not develop, so still a milk crate but no dividers. Not long ago. m:) in my youth I had a job with the local Coop as a milk delivery boy, 2 hours every morning. We had metal milk crates with dividers but they were for 1 pint bottles.

I now wonder if a milk crate without dividers is still called a milk crate.......they seem to be fabricated to a standard size, at least in the English speaking world. They are full of holes and are robust (just right to store anchors chain and carry it from a transom locker to the bow). Maybe they have been re-chistened as 'rode crates' - :). I have a number, I have borrowed some as our bow locker took 2 x 3 high stacks of the crates.
 
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zoidberg said:
So.... are you an 'Outy' or an 'Inny'?

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I must be getting old - to what does this refer. Having sailed a J24 most of the time one is an outy(side) as there is insufficient room to swing a cat let alone live and be termed an 'inny'

Puzzled

Jonathan

But to Wansworth - your threads are interesting and cater for a whole host of owners and members here who don't care about Lithium, inverters, carbon sails - they just go sailing and enjoy the time on the water. Few similar threads

J
 
Flukes IN - this is an 'Innie'

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Flukes OUT - this is an 'Outie'

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And this is the whole kit 'n caboodle wrapped up for winter....

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