The BSS and fitting a Morco d61e water heater....

[Sy-Revolution]

.....in the heads on my narrowboat. I can't see anything in the BSS that says NO to a heads installation, just that enough ventilation is required and yet I read elsewhere that they can't be fitted in bathrooms.

Does anyone know whether I can or not? I do have one other place I could fit it but that would mean long pipe runs (hot water & gas) to shower/kitchen sink etc.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

C.

 

[pvb]

.....in the heads on my narrowboat. I can't see anything in the BSS that says NO to a heads installation, just that enough ventilation is required and yet I read elsewhere that they can't be fitted in bathrooms.

Does anyone know whether I can or not?

I think you've answered your own question - if there's nothing in the BSS which precludes it (and I can't see anything) then it's permissible.

 

[VicS]

.....in the heads on my narrowboat. I can't see anything in the BSS that says NO to a heads installation, just that enough ventilation is required and yet I read elsewhere that they can't be fitted in bathrooms.

Does anyone know whether I can or not? I do have one other place I could fit it but that would mean long pipe runs (hot water & gas) to shower/kitchen sink etc.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

C.

From the manual:

Location:
The water heater requires a plentiful supply of fresh air for correct operation. Fixed
ventilators or air inlets should not be obstructed.
Do not install the water heater in a location where incomplete combustion is
foreseeable.
IE In bathrooms or bedrooms unless specifically allowed by national legislation.
The minimum ventilation free areas are stated in this manual and must be observed.
The water heater must be fixed to a load bearing wall in a vertical plane.
The water heater should not be installed adjacent to combustible materials, either
above or at the sides or rear, if the temperature of those surfaces could otherwise
exceed 65°C based in an ambient temperature of 15°C. In such cases a heat shield
must be installed in the form of a fabrication from sheet metal mounted away from
such surfaces to allow a minimum air gap of 25 mm​

The following British Standards, Codes of Practice and other Regulations must be
observed in the installation of the water heater.
The Gas Safety Regulations (Installation and Use) 1998
The Model Water Byelaws
Byelaws of the Local Water Undertaking
The Building Regulations (Permanent Buildings) England and Scotland.
BS 5482 Part 1 Installations in Permanent Dwellings
BS 5482 Part 2 Installations in Caravans and Non-Permanent Dwellings
BS 5482 Part 3 Installations in Boats
BS EN 1949 Installation of LPG System for Habitational Purposes in Leisure
Accommodation Vehicles
EN 721 Leisure Accommodation Vehicles - Ventilation Requirements​

Perhaps you should also consult part 3 of BS5482

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[Momac]

I googled it and read that particular model is not suitable for touring caravans or mobile vehicles (so that presumably means it is not suited to boats)! But please do check the instructions that came with the appliance (the internet may be incorrect).

http://www.caravanaccessoryshop.co.uk/product/morco-d61e-lpg-water-heater/268

 

[VicS]

I googled it and read that particular model is not suitable for touring caravans or mobile vehicles (so that presumably means it is not suited to boats)! But please do check the instructions that came with the appliance (the internet may be incorrect).

http://www.caravanaccessoryshop.co.uk/product/morco-d61e-lpg-water-heater/268

Ive not noticed that in the manual but it does say not to be installed in bathrooms

 

[Sy-Revolution]

As I understand it the BSS had initially tried to prohibit the use of non room sealed units being fitted to boats, however there are none available yet with a flue low enough to allow a narrowboat to transit low bridges/locks. Also there have been no significant problems with instantaneous water heaters on boats, mainly I guess because they only run for short periods. So they back tracked. The caravan accssesory shop is, I believe, out of date in it's assertion.

I do know of a boat where the heater is installed in the heads but the owner has been told that if she ever replaces the heater then the installation would need looking at again, I'm unsure of the details though.

The ban on bathroom siting my only apply to houses where the need for ventilation may be overlooked.

I've tried to find a copy of the relevant BS docs but they don't appear to be available on the web (not for free anyhow)


Thanks for the replies, perhaps I'll give a BSS examiner a ring in the morning....

Cheers,

C.

 

[stuhaynes]

Morco, Oh no...

.....in the heads on my narrowboat. I can't see anything in the BSS that says NO to a heads installation, just that enough ventilation is required and yet I read elsewhere that they can't be fitted in bathrooms.

Does anyone know whether I can or not? I do have one other place I could fit it but that would mean long pipe runs (hot water & gas) to shower/kitchen sink etc.

Any ideas?

Cheers,

C.

This response has nothing to do with regs., it's about reliability. The Morco I bought about 9 years ago, and dumped 3 years ago is the only thing I've ever bought that I would call a complete piece of sh*te. Professionally fitted. When I got rid, I binned it rather than to try to sell on and curse someone else with a heater that was utter rubbish!!!

Not trying to put you off of course... Get yourself a calorifier, far more reliable and cheaper to run.... Since we got rid of our 'gas water heater' we've saved a fortune in gas.