terminology

[jsl]

O.K, so now we know what a 'fetch' is, are we so sure about 'full and by'? My sources seem to suggest that 'full' is [or rather was, a couple of centuries ago,] more or less the opposite of 'by'. Down wind as opposed to close-hauled. What fun pedantry is on a wet afternoon. Try looking at the original OED definition of 'luff' if you want to see landlubbers in a state of total confusion.

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[snowleopard]

full and by, in the original context of square riggers means: 'by' the wind is close hauled, 'full' means not flapping. in other words as close to the wind as you can lie without the luffs lifting.

the yards of a square rigger are trimmed so that each is slightly further from fore-and-aft than the one below. to sail full and by you steer to keep the luff of the royal lifting slightly so all the larger sails are full.

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[peterb]

I took an experienced helmsman to steer full and by; a small wind shift could cause the ship to be taken aback. Less experienced helmsmen could be used when the ship was sailing by and large.

Funny how these expressions are just part of the English language now.

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[tugboat]

Hey man, how come you know all this stuff? Do you have a large library, are you sad, or are you 193 yrs old and been at sea all your life?

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[BrianJ]

Sounds like Jimi on a friday night .....
BrianJ

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[snowleopard]

definition of a sad person/geek/anorak: someone who is an expert on a subject you're not interested in.

yes, i have a large library, yes i have been sailing for over 40 years and yes, i have trimmed the yards of a square-rigger and steered her 'full and by'.

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[tugboat]

'Nuf said!

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[celandine]

Re. "...are you sad or are you 193yrs old" If you find it irritating when someone asks a perfectly interesting question, and then someone else promptly provides the answer, why do you visit a forum designed for exactly this purpose?

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[MarkV]

So what is "By and large"?

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[Joe_Cole]

How close to the wind (another expression in everyday use!) can a square rigger sail. I've often wondered.

Joe

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