Tempoary registration question.

[teddington_lock]

If you weren't at a gateway lock ( one that connects to other waterways ) how would you have got to his lock if you weren't thames based ?

The only things this really works for is small dinghys ski boats and things , that can be trailered in and slipped ...

If you rocked up at say Molesey Lock , in a 30 footer , you would have to have passed through either Sunbury or Teddington if you were not thames based and then you would have bought a licence.

I realise that you are looking for a loophole , possibly to exploit , maybe to go Agency bashing with it , but i'm not going to play ball , sorry.

I enjoy my job , and i post on here in order to help people out , not to lead myself into an argument that could potentially impact my job.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

OK

You do need to be careful about naming people's boats in public and that you know whether or not they are based on the River.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

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[Captain Coochie]

Look out Mr Fanner Teddington lock has your number Crafty bugger hasnt seen me three boats up river though has he ...................... DOH !!!!

 

[teddington_lock]

OK

You do need to be careful about naming people's boats in public and that you know whether or not they are based on the River.

Thank you for pointing that out for me.

I'm sure Andrew doesn't mind people knowing that he is based on the Thames ?

In fact he himself states in his 'Public Profile' the name of his boat , what sort of boat it is , and the location of it ... he also mentions it in numerous other posts.

 

[the_wanderer]

Thanks for the info.

Thanks for the information lads.

I can glean from this that I can be temporarily registered without a bss cert if the lock keeper deems my boat to be in his eyes safe. He can however refuse me registration if he wishes for any number of other reasons. With regards to safety of others, my boat is always to bss standard and I am quite happy to be jumped by inspectors. It seems a lot of expense and agravation to get a cert just for two weeks on the river.

Regards.

Alan.

 

[teddington_lock]

I can glean from this that I can be temporarily registered without a bss cert if the lock keeper deems my boat to be in his eyes safe.

Yes , You sign to say that your boat complies with the regs ( read the small print on the back of the form ). If you sign the form to say that you comply and something terrible happens , then it's on you. We can't ( and aren't expected to ) check every boat. If the boat is very obviously unsafe , then we can ( in theory ) refuse entry , i've never heard of it being done though , primarily because if it was challenged , it could be argued that we aren't qualified to make the decision.

He can however refuse me registration if he wishes for any number of other reasons.

He can refuse you registration if you are a Thames based boat , because you aren't entitled to one , hence the name 'visitors licence'

I am quite happy to be jumped by inspectors.

Unlikely , unless something terrible happens , and even then they wouldn't storm the boat , they would make an appointment to see it.

It seems a lot of expense and agravation to get a cert just for two weeks on the river.

Not really ..... as you yourself stated earlier below ...

I can glean from this that I can be temporarily registered without a bss cert

You don't need a BSS cert. to visit the river , because you sign to say that you comply ( not that you have one )

With regards to safety of others, my boat is always to bss standard .

This is great , it means you have no worries then.

Issuing a visitors licence takes five minutes , in fact i issued seven of them in an hour on the tide today. It's no aggro at all , come into the office , do the paperwork , pay your money , go on your way . If you have a sizable boat , it isn't cheap , i'll grant you that but there is a lot of infrastructure to maintain and it all goes towards that.

I must say , it seems like you are looking for a problem where none exists . Please do come and visit us on the Thames , we are a friendly lot , and i am sure you will enjoy yourself.

 

[Outinthedinghy]

I use my boat on the Norfolk Broads on temporary licences for four weeks a year and on other places such as the Thames estuary and coastal waters. I do not have a safety certificate for this boat. <<<Therefore it is my belief that is where the boat is usually used.>>>

It isn't entirely clear what the bit which I have put in << >> means...

If it means you have told a member of EA staff that the boat is usually kept on the broads, and if a broads based boat requires a BSS (not sure?) then maybe there would be a conflict of some sort regarding BSS compliance.

The easiest thing is to say the boat is usually kept out of the water as that avoids the need for cross referencing with other waterways.

And yes, do visit the Thames, it is among the best places on earth to go boating

 

[Captain Coochie]

I think the test costs about £50 and lasts four years so not bad value for an MOT that you are sure your boat will pass anyway . ( Not sure of exact cost as i had shore power added aswell as other work done when i had mine tested .)
For such a small fee i like the idea that someone else has checked my boat aswell as doing it myself .

 

[teddington_lock]

Remember as well , that Anglian and Southern EA controlled waterways have a reciprocal agreement , whereby you can have a 15 day licence gratis if you want to come up the Thames.

So if you are on the Braods and have an Agency Anglian licence , it won't cost you a bean .

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/boating/31607.aspx

 

[TrueBlue]

Remember as well , that Anglian and Southern EA controlled waterways have a reciprocal agreement , whereby you can have a 15 day licence gratis if you want to come up the Thames.

So if you are on the Braods and have an Agency Anglian licence , it won't cost you a bean .

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/recreation/boating/31607.aspx

Umm -
If he's on Anglian waters doesn't he need a BSS?
On his original post my understanding was that he popped the boat in and out as and when needed.

If the boat is trailable, is a BSS needed anyway, cabin, gas
, whatever..

 

[the_wanderer]

I must say , it seems like you are looking for a problem where none exists . Please do come and visit us on the Thames , we are a friendly lot , and i am sure you will enjoy yourself.

Thanks for the help teddington_lock. No I am not looking for a problem where none exists as I have been visiting the Thames for many years, always happy to pay and I think it is a wonderful river and the lock staff are excellent. It is just that I was refused a temporary registration and had to negotiate with the keeper to obtain one and it appeared to be a touch and go situation.

With regards to Outinthedinghy's post whether I was trying to avoid cross referencing my boat between separate navigation authorities , no this is not the case, my boat is genuinely stored at home out of the water.

Kind regards.


Alan

 

[teddington_lock]

When and at which lock were you refused a temporary registration ?

What negotiations did you have ?

For what reason were you refused one ?

I'm genuinely curious about this , as i have never heard of it happening.

 

[the_wanderer]

When and at which lock were you refused a temporary registration ?

What negotiations did you have ?

For what reason were you refused one ?

I'm genuinely curious about this , as i have never heard of it happening.

(1) St John's Lock.


(2) Told the keeper that I had trailered over one hundred miles to get there and had never been refused before, and he very begrudgingly issued me with a registration

(3) No reason, just that I was not permanently registered on any waterway and kept ashore on a trailer and did not have a safety certificate. The boat however is used on temp licences on The Norfolk Broads.

Regards.



Alan.

 

[teddington_lock]

The whole point of ANY lock being able to sell visitors licences and not just the gateway locks is so that people like you can trailer their boat in , and use it for the day / days / weeks / a month.

We don't need to see a certificate , you sign to say that you comply , not that you have one.

So in your case , i suspect that it was a misunderstanding of how the procedures work. Some locks don't sell very many of them at all ( maybe single figures a year ) , i would expect St Johns to be one of them.

 

[the_wanderer]

Thanks.

Thanks Teddington Lock for clearing up this matter. I have been visiting your beautiful river for many years now and never before have had any difficulty in obtaining temporary registration. I thought that the rules had changed.

I am toying with the idea of getting the boat tested anyway and taking out a full registration so I can come and plague you all more frequently. I am retired so I have a bit of time on my hands.


Kind regards.


Alan.