gary3029
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Can anyone tell me what I need for swinging mooring setup. Buoy with swivel provided, I need to supply the rest.
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swinging mooring...what do I need to buy
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Sans Bateau
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Presume you have a boat, you'll need one of those. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
GrahamC
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Need more information, what boat, is the ground tackle provided.
If its the junks (the bit of rope between the boat and the mooring) then you will need two big thimbles, 2 tested shackles about 3 feet of plastic tube and 10 metres of 3 strand nylon rope 12 mm/15/ 20/ depending on boat, the ability to splice a long eye and a small eye with the thimble in and make one junk a foot longer about 12ft for one and 13ft for the other. The tube goes over the rope to stop wear at the stemhead fitting, drill the pipe and sew it to the junk.
Either siezing wire or plastic ties to "Mouse " the shackles .
Happy sailoring
GrahamC
If its the junks (the bit of rope between the boat and the mooring) then you will need two big thimbles, 2 tested shackles about 3 feet of plastic tube and 10 metres of 3 strand nylon rope 12 mm/15/ 20/ depending on boat, the ability to splice a long eye and a small eye with the thimble in and make one junk a foot longer about 12ft for one and 13ft for the other. The tube goes over the rope to stop wear at the stemhead fitting, drill the pipe and sew it to the junk.
Either siezing wire or plastic ties to "Mouse " the shackles .
Happy sailoring
GrahamC
fastjedi
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Expect lots of opinions!!!!
Here's how mine is done (From the mooring buoy swivel towards the boat)
1. Shackle (Biggest that will go through the chain)
2. About 700mm of chain
3. Shackle (Biggest that will go through the chain)
4. About 3 / 4m of 20mm nylon rope (spliced with a thimble at one end and a loop to fit over your cleat at the other. One meter of plastic hose over the rope to protect from chaffing over the bow roller.
5. 2m of 10mm nylon rope with a splice loop around the cleat loop at one end and a spliced loop around the pickup buoy at the other end
6. Locktite + galv garden centre wire to secure the two shackles
7. 5m of 16mm nylon as a secondary safely line, bowline onto the swivel.
The chain prevents chaffing at the mooring bouy
Size of rope with depend of size of cleats
Personally, I dont like chain on the deck of my shiny AWB
I always put a cable tie round the cleat and the rope to secure.
Here's how mine is done (From the mooring buoy swivel towards the boat)
1. Shackle (Biggest that will go through the chain)
2. About 700mm of chain
3. Shackle (Biggest that will go through the chain)
4. About 3 / 4m of 20mm nylon rope (spliced with a thimble at one end and a loop to fit over your cleat at the other. One meter of plastic hose over the rope to protect from chaffing over the bow roller.
5. 2m of 10mm nylon rope with a splice loop around the cleat loop at one end and a spliced loop around the pickup buoy at the other end
6. Locktite + galv garden centre wire to secure the two shackles
7. 5m of 16mm nylon as a secondary safely line, bowline onto the swivel.
The chain prevents chaffing at the mooring bouy
Size of rope with depend of size of cleats
Personally, I dont like chain on the deck of my shiny AWB
I always put a cable tie round the cleat and the rope to secure.
Clyde_Wanderer
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Providing the buoy and swivel are actually connected to ground tackle, ie, a mushroom anchor, or other mooring anchor, you will need a lifter, or junk rope, as it is sometimes called, this will be a rope of about 1" dia and aprox 10 to 15ft long, with a loop spliced into each end and a length of pvc tubing fitted onto it in the area where it would normally rub against bow roller etc, the loop at the buoy end should have a thimble in it to stop it from chaffing on the mooring buoy shackle where it will be joined to the mooring buoy.
At least that is the setup on the mooring where I keep my boat.
It is very important that this mooring junk is well secured in either a bow roller or some other means of keeping it in one place where it actually comes aboard, as if it were to come out of bow roller, etc, it would whip over back, up and down, in a swell or rough sea and cause untold dammage to deck fittings, ie pulpit rail fairleads etc, and propably cut itself to peices too.
That is why I have just made a new larger bow roller on my boat, so it will easily accomadate the junk rope on my mooring without having to lash it into the bow roller with a length of smaller dia rope like I had to last season, which was a pain in the a... , now I should be able to drop the junk into bow roller and fit a drop pin securing it in roller, and obviously tyeing it off.
Sorry about the long answer, just trying to put you in the picture.
At least that is the setup on the mooring where I keep my boat.
It is very important that this mooring junk is well secured in either a bow roller or some other means of keeping it in one place where it actually comes aboard, as if it were to come out of bow roller, etc, it would whip over back, up and down, in a swell or rough sea and cause untold dammage to deck fittings, ie pulpit rail fairleads etc, and propably cut itself to peices too.
That is why I have just made a new larger bow roller on my boat, so it will easily accomadate the junk rope on my mooring without having to lash it into the bow roller with a length of smaller dia rope like I had to last season, which was a pain in the a... , now I should be able to drop the junk into bow roller and fit a drop pin securing it in roller, and obviously tyeing it off.
Sorry about the long answer, just trying to put you in the picture.
Mirelle
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A dinghy will be handy.
OK, seriously, I'm assuming that you are not providing the ground tackle.
Make yourself up a decent strop, including chafe protection, with a hard eye at the buoy and and a big soft eye at the boat end. You will need to secure a pick up buoy to this - they cost under a tenner.
I add a chain strop in the winter months.
SERIOUS ADVICE FOLLOWS:
Do not make the strop longer than it needs to be, or you will be unpopular with your neighbours.
OK, seriously, I'm assuming that you are not providing the ground tackle.
Make yourself up a decent strop, including chafe protection, with a hard eye at the buoy and and a big soft eye at the boat end. You will need to secure a pick up buoy to this - they cost under a tenner.
I add a chain strop in the winter months.
SERIOUS ADVICE FOLLOWS:
Do not make the strop longer than it needs to be, or you will be unpopular with your neighbours.
simonfraser
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tie the loop to the samson post, just in case
i use a nylon strop and cover it with see through pipe where it goes over the ss bits
did so this winter, it's still there . . . . . .
imho the most dangerous bit is the transfer from dinghy to boat, be carefull
i use a nylon strop and cover it with see through pipe where it goes over the ss bits
did so this winter, it's still there . . . . . .
imho the most dangerous bit is the transfer from dinghy to boat, be carefull
sighmoon
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Do not make the strop longer than it needs to be, or you will be unpopular with your neighbours.
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I second that, particularly if you use a floating line.
Do not make the strop longer than it needs to be, or you will be unpopular with your neighbours.
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I second that, particularly if you use a floating line.
Ecosse120
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Check that who ever you are renting the "mud" from doesn't have standards. I need to lay my mooring in the next 5 weeks and Harwich Harbour Authority have a set of guidelines. At least if I comply then the insurance company should be happy. If all else fails ask what your neighbours use.
gary3029
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Yes I have a boat!
Yes the ground tackle is in place.
The boat is 24ft in a strong running tide.
Would chain be better or a strong rope. Used a swinging a long time ago and had to have chain on the decks...not impressed.
Anyone have any links to some pictures as difficult image what is being said.
Thanks
Yes the ground tackle is in place.
The boat is 24ft in a strong running tide.
Would chain be better or a strong rope. Used a swinging a long time ago and had to have chain on the decks...not impressed.
Anyone have any links to some pictures as difficult image what is being said.
Thanks
Mirelle
N/A
Rope is fine in most places and for most of the time.
Your best guide will be local practice - ask the yard and look at other moorings.
The old type mooring where you got the buoy on deck and took turns round the samson post with disgusting muddy chain is no more.
Your best guide will be local practice - ask the yard and look at other moorings.
The old type mooring where you got the buoy on deck and took turns round the samson post with disgusting muddy chain is no more.
colvic987
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I would check on what the boats around you have, i have chain onto the boat,
pick up buoy, with rope to the chain, pull rope and pick up buoy on board and loop the chain over the samson post, chain attached thru middle of a piece of hose to protect gelcoat, which is attached to a swivel under main buoy. 8 metres 3/4 chain to large swivel, and 700kg 132 ft 1inch ground chain to two large danforths...
With a 24 ft boat you could have one large rope from buoy to samson post/cleat.
or even two ropes from buoy to each side of the bow thru fairlead to cleats...
I personally look on what the other boats moored around you have and if you are happy with the arrangement they have go with that...
It all depends on the tidal characteristics of your area...
pick up buoy, with rope to the chain, pull rope and pick up buoy on board and loop the chain over the samson post, chain attached thru middle of a piece of hose to protect gelcoat, which is attached to a swivel under main buoy. 8 metres 3/4 chain to large swivel, and 700kg 132 ft 1inch ground chain to two large danforths...
With a 24 ft boat you could have one large rope from buoy to samson post/cleat.
or even two ropes from buoy to each side of the bow thru fairlead to cleats...
I personally look on what the other boats moored around you have and if you are happy with the arrangement they have go with that...
It all depends on the tidal characteristics of your area...
simonfraser
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i'd think the wind is more of a prob that the tide ?
Judders
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If you are DIYing this bit, you'll need to make sure your insurance does not include something along the lines of 'It is warrante that the mooring is proffessionally laid and annualy maintained'.
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The boat is 24ft in a strong running tide.
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It is not terribly relevant to the thread, but how long is she on a stand?
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The boat is 24ft in a strong running tide.
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It is not terribly relevant to the thread, but how long is she on a stand?
gary3029
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there are no other swinging moorings at this yard. They have put 4 in over winter so nothing to compare with. The buoys are professionally maintained evey year. All other moorings are trot moorings. So does the insurance clause mean equipment from buoy to boat?
Searush
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I have used two heavy polyprop strops with an eye splice in each end for years. Use a hard eye at the buoy & a soft one for the bow cleat. Use fire hose/ flexible plastic pipe or similar to protect against chafe & U/V (sunlight) these are the key enemies of synthetic ropes. Rope is better that chain as it is MUCH quieter & has some give if snatching occurs due to wave action or shearing.
Tie the rope into the fairlead or bow roller (cable ties will do). Make sure one strop is slightly shorter than the other, this will then take all the strain. Any problems & it will become obvious on the short strop, but the longer one will still be sound if it fails while you are not around.
Get yourself a secure boarding ladder and fit the top guardrail with pelican clips. Take stuff aboard in several small bags with handles. They are easier to pass aboard. Cardboard boxes get damp during the dinghy trip & the bottoms fall out. Big bags are just unmanageable from a dinghy. Always board from the sheltered side of the boat - look before you tie up to make sure which side that is.
When shipping the outboard, tie it to the vessel it is going to before you undo the clamps. Make sure the lanyard is long enough for some movement of both boats & strong enough to carry the full weight of the engine if dropped.
I generally go aboard with minimum gear on my own, then take the boat, with dinghy astern to the quayside to load most of the gear & all of the family. This is much safer than several dinghy trips. I understand that most yachty drownings relate to tender problems - especially after an evening in the clubhouse. Take care & enjoy I have used swinging moorings in very fast currents (up to 5-6kts) for around 20 years withou losing any one or anything (uh-ohh is that tempting fate?)
Tie the rope into the fairlead or bow roller (cable ties will do). Make sure one strop is slightly shorter than the other, this will then take all the strain. Any problems & it will become obvious on the short strop, but the longer one will still be sound if it fails while you are not around.
Get yourself a secure boarding ladder and fit the top guardrail with pelican clips. Take stuff aboard in several small bags with handles. They are easier to pass aboard. Cardboard boxes get damp during the dinghy trip & the bottoms fall out. Big bags are just unmanageable from a dinghy. Always board from the sheltered side of the boat - look before you tie up to make sure which side that is.
When shipping the outboard, tie it to the vessel it is going to before you undo the clamps. Make sure the lanyard is long enough for some movement of both boats & strong enough to carry the full weight of the engine if dropped.
I generally go aboard with minimum gear on my own, then take the boat, with dinghy astern to the quayside to load most of the gear & all of the family. This is much safer than several dinghy trips. I understand that most yachty drownings relate to tender problems - especially after an evening in the clubhouse. Take care & enjoy I have used swinging moorings in very fast currents (up to 5-6kts) for around 20 years withou losing any one or anything (uh-ohh is that tempting fate?)
Judders
Well-Known Member
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there are no other swinging moorings at this yard. They have put 4 in over winter so nothing to compare with. The buoys are professionally maintained evey year. All other moorings are trot moorings. So does the insurance clause mean equipment from buoy to boat?
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Yes.
there are no other swinging moorings at this yard. They have put 4 in over winter so nothing to compare with. The buoys are professionally maintained evey year. All other moorings are trot moorings. So does the insurance clause mean equipment from buoy to boat?
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Yes.
mikebutler
Active Member
Have a look at this. Explained everything to me.
http://www.themainsail.com/news/article/mps/UAN/6/v/4/
http://www.themainsail.com/news/article/mps/UAN/6/v/4/
