Sweden - Sort of NB.

[westernsailor]

Spent a week, on a course, in Stockholm three years ago, in the first week of December. It was dark when the course was over but I absolutely loved the city. Walked miles and miles.

Two questions.

1. Thinking of going back. This time in the summer. Want to see more of the country. Where should I go?
2. Has anybody had any experience of keeping a boat up there ?

Advice please.


Work is the price you pay for money !!!


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[snowleopard]

it's a whole different place in the summer, miles of empty roads, trees, lakes etc. in 5 days we only met one person who didn't speak english.

the thing that made it seem most foreign was the rural main roads - single-carriageway with hard shoulders. as you came up behind a slower vehicle they pulled off onto the hard shoulder to let you pass. imagine it in this country - 'nobody passes me if i can help it'

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[chrisc]

Hi,
we keep our boat in Göteborg ,take it out of water in october put it in about easter.
total annual cost (mooring,winter storage outside,lifting an high pressure wash)
6,300SEK (less than 500squids) boat 11metres.
some of the best cruising grounds in the world to the north of here ,no tides
but lots of rocks (and islands ) coutesy of ryanair it is very cheap and easy to get
here .Our boat is about 3miles from the airport.

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[Sgeir]

Might be worthwhile speaking to or joining the Cruising Association - they have an active Baltic Section.

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[jenku]

I live in Stockholm and have my boat here, too. It's very good sailing. A bit crowded in July though (although I guess the Solent is worse...). I would definitely recommend trying to join a club here (most Swedes keep their boats in club marinas which is much cheaper. I pay about 2800 SEK a year. Commercial marinas are much more expensive. Can be difficult to get a berth in a club though if you don't live here. (However, the club I am in has vacancies right know.).

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[Shakey]

Went there a few years ago doing the student inter-rail thing.

Yes, Stockholm is a cracking city, very clean and the women are stunning!

The north of Sweden is fantastic, all forests and lakes, ideal for camping trips. You'll also get the midnight sun if you venture north far enough.

As you probably know, the cost of living is high, and it can be awkward trying to get a drink. It used to be the case that outside of a bar the only place you could buy proper alcohol (not the weak supermarket beer) was at System Bolaget.

Most people speak English, albeit with an American accent. Swedish words can be sometimes be easy to understand when reading, but the pronunciation can be fiendish. Apparently, it is unheard of for a non-Swede however fluent to correctly pronounce the word for 'seven'!

My only regret was not buying a reindeer pelt. God knows what I would have done with it, but I just wanted one.

Have no experience about keeping a boat there but I can tell you that the Swedish word for boat is practically indistinguishable from the English one!

Hejdo!

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[westernsailor]

Thank you all for the the response.


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[roger]

I keep my boat at Nykoping (what Rayanair calls Stockholm)
It is an absolutely marvellous cruising ground. The cost of sailing is LOW. The cost of living is not high if you keep out of the pubs. Buy your beer up to 3.5% in the supermarkets - it tastes of very little. Alternatively conduct tastings of the beers in the Systembolagets. Some of them are nice. They are not very expensive. A 500 ml. can of good Swedish beer costs about a pound.
Plug - we've just updated and much enlarged the Cruising Guides to Sweden and Finland and we hope they will be on sale at the Boat Show on the Cruising Association stand.

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[trouville]

Wonderful! Ive been looking for someone going to sweeden, in fact i just found a finnish freind whos going for Christmas, but she not really up on boats.

NOW I WANT TO BUY A FOLKBOAT!!! i think i want a "baltic" folkboat wooden, clinker and with the coach roof stopping before the mast. Or perhaps an "IF" folkboat but then with a strieght roof, no raised dog house like the german ones.

QUESTION where can i look for boats for sale,and what are the links to magazines or papers such as the German boots bourse or http://www.botenbank.nl/ the Dutch mag??What is it in sweeden???

Is the water cold up there? can i sail home once i find one? and are the sort of aproximate charges to lift out for a week/10days??any ideas

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[jenku]

Buying a folkboat

Wooden folkboats are very cheap here in Sweden. As for sailing it home unless you buy it in the most southern part of the country all wooden boats should be lifted out by now. You will be able to take a good look as it is on land, pay about 10 percent and the rest when you come to sail it home in spring.

Here are a few links that get you started:

http://begmarknad.batnet.se/sok/allt.php?kid=3
http://www.sailguide.com/ (go to "Båtmarknad - säljes")
http://www.blocket.se/ (select region first, then Båtar säljes)
http://www.trabatsakuten.nu/koposalj.htm (Wooden boats only)

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[jasu74]

Re: Buying a folkboat

It is VERY cold out here! few weeks ago we got 40cm of snow!

You can also buy a new one from here: <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.folkboat.dk/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi> folkboat.dk </A>

jari from finland

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[trouville]

Re: Buying a folkboat

Thankyou both for your replys! Im not going to Sweeden just yet!! but im going to look for interesting Folkboats by internet phone fax what ever, then in March (if i can wait that long) go up there to look, of course if a very interesting one comes long then ill be there at once. An interesting one would be a wooden (clinker) one, coach roof to mast, Inboard diesel, a "Baltic" folkboat? Dose Sweeden have a boats heater like the Tailors or Danish Reflex??I wonder

And my Finnish freind speaks Sweedish having been in school there, i can understand a little when she speaks Sweedish, But Finnish!! Nothing???

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[jenku]

Re: Buying a folkboat

Yes we do have Reflex heaters but they are very unusual on folkboats. The reason plainly is that we use to lift wooden boats out in good time before the freezing temperatures set in, so wooden boats do not do very much of fall and winter sailing here.

Also, inboards on Nordic Folkboats are a no no, as it's against class rules and the boat then could not be raced.

As for the cold, Stockholm had 4 centigrade today, so it's bearable right now. The snow has melted away again...I hope there will be more before christmas though.

Oh and by the way, on my homepage is a trip report of a trip on Lake Mälaren by way of my old folkboat. There are quite a few pictures. Direct link is
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[trouville]

Re: Buying a folkboat

Oh yes! I couldent imagin where a reflex would go either!!!i just wonderd if Sweeden made a boats heater??!!And yes that seems to be just what i want, I want to use her in the med and there its better to have an in board but i will buy one with an out board if there isent a choise.
I think the folkboat is really great! And i dont realy want the coachroof beyond the mast to have a clear fore deck, i had an English east coast one like a folkboat but just a bit bigger with head room, and it wasent useful to carry the roof forward.

Thanks, i dident find many folkboats for sale on the links??if you find some could you pass them on please?

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[jenku]

Re: Buying a folkboat

There was a folkboat for sale in my club this summer, we have one more which is not for sale yet, but nobody knows. I will keep my eyes open. I guess there will be plenty when spring approaches.

Folkboats are really superb sailboats, but they do need some wind to get going. On the other hand they can be sailed unreeefed in a near gale.

You need the clear foredeck for the sunbathing girls, eh?

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[chrisc]

Re: Buying a folkboat

the west coast of sweden hasn't yet had minus temperatures (although it got near last night)

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[chrisc]

propobally get it lifted and left on land for week for about 150 quid .
a very good buy in sweden are Albin vegas there are cheaper than Uk and still quite a few about.would be ideal boat for trip to Uk .if you bought in sweden youre longest passage could be calais -dover ( after keil you can motor all the way to the english channel, down canals ,with your mast up,must be some advantages with a shallow draft)

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[steve_l]

Re: Buying a folkboat

Try http://www.veneporssi.fi/contentpage.php?lk=1&hakunro=1&paaosastonro=3
Finnish on-line "Boat Market". Unfortunately it's only in Finnish and the URL of any search result is invalid... but if you use the following selections...
TYYPPI = Purjeveneet
ILMOITUSTYYPPI = Myynti
then hit HAE...
the second result should be a Folkboat (kansanvene) for 2500€

-steve-

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[kruithof]

Re: Buying a folkboat

In Stromstad it was about -5 C, about 3 weeks ago; that's about as far north as you can go on the west coast of Sweden though.
Obviously we were very happy to have a good heater on our boat

Andries
S/Y Lady Stardust

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[trouville]

Re: Buying a folkboat

what sort of heater do you have? For a folk boat i imagin dressing up walmly, or in a marina an electric heater, im not keen to fit my Taylors diesel small and walm as it is, but to make a gas heater with chimany, or spirit stove i bought many years ago--and i wouldent call practical or over ly walm!
Which small boat heater??

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