Swageless rigging terminals

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I need a bit of help please.
I have to replace my guardwires which have swageless terminals which I want to re-use, I think they are Norseman.
1/ How can I tell if they are Norseman, Sta-lok or some other make? No makers ID that I can see.
2/ How do you remove them from the old wire? The threaded bit unscrewed easily enough but the wire and cone is still firmly held in the body. Giving it a sharp tap has resulted in wrecking the wire. Is there a knack that I should know?

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Sta-Locs and Norsemans have no markings.Just compare yours with pictures from the web.There's plenty.In order to remove them you'll have to shorten the wire.Cut the wire a few miimeters away from the body.Then clamp the protruding wire on a vice and twist the body (disassembled)in the direction of the lay as you tap with a nylon hammer.Heating a bit helps as there may be loctite holding everything fast.Use a small shackle to make up for the lost length of wire if needed.
 

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I need a bit of help please.
I have to replace my guardwires which have swageless terminals which I want to re-use, I think they are Norseman.
1/ How can I tell if they are Norseman, Sta-lok or some other make? No makers ID that I can see.
2/ How do you remove them from the old wire? The threaded bit unscrewed easily enough but the wire and cone is still firmly held in the body. Giving it a sharp tap has resulted in wrecking the wire. Is there a knack that I should know?

Ta

Dan

Look at these two pictures http://www.pyacht.com/norseman.htm and http://www.tcschandlery.co.uk/c/267/Sta-Lok.html The difference between the two is that on the Norseman the pin end is the male, whereas on the Sta-Lok it is the female.

On guard wires it isn't going to make a huge difference which you select but when it comes to larger wire sizes I find it does. On the Norseman the ends of the wire have to be inserted into a small drilling in the male part after the cone has been installed. This can be quite difficult to achieve with stiff stands, or with pre-used ones if you need to unthread your guardwires from the stanchions. The Sta-lok design is far easier in this respect.
 

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I've used both Norseman (in the past) and Sta-Lok (rigging my new mast yesterday). As Vyv Cox says, the Norseman terminals have a notched crown ring to take the wire strands.

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Norseman fitting instructions are here.

Sta-Lok don't have this notched ring.
 
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I've used both Norseman (in the past) and Sta-Lok (rigging my new mast yesterday). As Vyv Cox says, the Norseman terminals have a notched crown ring to take the wire strands.

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Norseman fitting instructions are here.

Sta-Lok don't have this notched ring.

Norseman terminals don't have notched rings.I forget the name of the brand that does but it's definitely not Norseman.
 

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I've used both Norseman (in the past) and Sta-Lok (rigging my new mast yesterday). As Vyv Cox says, the Norseman terminals have a notched crown ring to take the wire strands.

STAR.gif


Norseman fitting instructions are here.

Sta-Lok don't have this notched ring.

I don't think I mentioned a notched crown ring. I've never seen one like this.
 

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I don't think I mentioned a notched crown ring. I've never seen one like this.


I misunderstood your description. I've been up since 04:20 to get down to the club to help launch about 35 club boats at first light and I'm knackered!
 

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Thanks everybods.
They are def Norseman from the diagrams. So can now order the correct cones.
I was following everything OK until the " mystery of the notched ring " turned up.
I'll have another crack at dismantling later.
Any one got any tips on cutting the new 1 x 19 s/s wire cleanly? I have bolt croppers but can't seem to get a neat cut.
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I hope I don't provide another mystery!

I've just cut my 6mm 1 x 19 wires as VicMallows suggested using a junior hacksaw (with a new blade). The insulation tape he suggests also allows you to make a mark at the correct length. I found that the last strand to be cut tended to be very slightly longer than the rest because it lacked the support of the others. Perhaps my tape wasn't tight enough. I cut this off level with a Dremel.
 
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I hope I don't provide another mystery!

I've just cut my 6mm 1 x 19 wires as VicMallows suggested using a junior hacksaw (with a new blade). The insulation tape he suggests also allows you to make a mark at the correct length. I found that the last strand to be cut tended to be very slightly longer than the rest because it lacked the support of the others. Perhaps my tape wasn't tight enough. I cut this off level with a Dremel.

I had some 10mm wire to cut into lengths I required, I drilled a 10mm hole in a piece of hardwood rod through the centre of its length, about an 1" long, then cut down the centre of the length with a junior hacksaw, which gave me two halves of a clamp to hold in the vice, and cut either close to the end, or you could even cut through both a couple of mm from the end of the rod, gave me a nice clean end to work with.
 
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