LadyInBed
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Are Sta-Lok and Norseman cones interchangeable?
Probably not! so does anyone know how to identify one from the other?
Probably not! so does anyone know how to identify one from the other?
Swageless rigging terminal
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merlin3688
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Sta Lok and Noreman are not the same and cannot be interchangleble, Sta Lok cones have a split and no ridge, Norseman from memory have a ridge.
pcatterall
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The Noresman if I recall correctly is smaller ( shorter ) than staylock. In an emergency I have cut down a staylock to fit a Norseman but clearly not recommended when they are only a pound each. ( or should be!!)
VicMallows
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More like around £14 for a pair (8mm)! (StaLoc)
KenMcCulloch
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They are definitely not the same, they have a different taper, and the taper at the thick end is much steeper on a Norseman which also has a flat on the end where the inner strand of wire comes out. I would be very sceptical of the wisdom of substituting one for the other.
LadyInBed
Well-known member
I don't want to substitute, I just want to get the correct ones.
So Noresman may be shorter with a steeper taper, that's a good start
merlin3688
New member
Sta Lok
Sta Lok cones are smooth with no ridge, Norseman cones have a ridge on the widest part. Sta Lok cones can not be used with Norseman terminals. Also Sta Lok cones comes with a former, I believe Norseman do not. Hope this helps.
I don't want to substitute, I just want to get the correct ones.
So Noresman may be shorter with a steeper taper, that's a good start
Sta Lok cones are smooth with no ridge, Norseman cones have a ridge on the widest part. Sta Lok cones can not be used with Norseman terminals. Also Sta Lok cones comes with a former, I believe Norseman do not. Hope this helps.
pcatterall
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I have one of each in front of me, I tried a photo but it was not very clear.
The Norseman is 16mm long and the Sta-lock 27mm. The Noresman does indeed have a steeper taper though I can't see the flat refered to above.
Answer not interchangeable but you can make a Noresman from a Stay-lock if you are desperate, have a good eye and the job is not safety critical!!
I did price Noresman for 6mm and they were much less than Vics £14, no I can't recall where from! must find out so I can replace the dodgy repair I made with the Stay-lock!!
The Norseman is 16mm long and the Sta-lock 27mm. The Noresman does indeed have a steeper taper though I can't see the flat refered to above.
Answer not interchangeable but you can make a Noresman from a Stay-lock if you are desperate, have a good eye and the job is not safety critical!!
I did price Noresman for 6mm and they were much less than Vics £14, no I can't recall where from! must find out so I can replace the dodgy repair I made with the Stay-lock!!
orion50
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Not interchangable in the sense that the inner norseman cone does not suit the Sta-lok outer casing. What is it you are trying to achieve ?
Bosun Higgs
N/A
One of them has a cup shaped thingy as well as a cone. Cant remember which.
merlin3688
New member
The St Lok has a former (cup) the Norseman does not.
VicMallows
New member
Normal Sta-Lok fittings have the cup.
However be careful. My roller-furler is designed for Sta-Lok, but is clearly machined for use WITHOUT a cup. (if you tried to use one it would not seat; would collapse when tightened; and there would be insufficient engagement of the fitting.)
Vic
KellysEye
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Loads of pictures.
Stalok
http://www.google.com.ag/search?q=s...8gPy9M3aBw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=601&sei= -V25TtmnMsPX8gPOzPTBBw#hl=en&rlz=1T4SKPB_enAG326AG326&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-V25Tu-IPIaX8QO7ioW8Bw&ved=0CDgQBSgA&q=sta+lok+picture&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=15a48065e579722b&biw=1366&bih=601
Norseman
http://www.google.com.ag/search?q=s...8gPy9M3aBw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=601&sei= -V25TtmnMsPX8gPOzPTBBw#hl=en&rlz=1T4SKPB_enAG326AG326&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=norseman+rigging+picture&oq=norseman+rigging+picture&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=4245l7006l2l8909l8l7l0l0l0l2l404l2366l2-2.4.1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=15a48065e579722b&biw=1366&bih=601
Stalok
http://www.google.com.ag/search?q=s...8gPy9M3aBw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=601&sei= -V25TtmnMsPX8gPOzPTBBw#hl=en&rlz=1T4SKPB_enAG326AG326&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-V25Tu-IPIaX8QO7ioW8Bw&ved=0CDgQBSgA&q=sta+lok+picture&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=15a48065e579722b&biw=1366&bih=601
Norseman
http://www.google.com.ag/search?q=s...8gPy9M3aBw&ved=0CBwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=601&sei= -V25TtmnMsPX8gPOzPTBBw#hl=en&rlz=1T4SKPB_enAG326AG326&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=norseman+rigging+picture&oq=norseman+rigging+picture&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=4245l7006l2l8909l8l7l0l0l0l2l404l2366l2-2.4.1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=15a48065e579722b&biw=1366&bih=601
LadyInBed
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Thanks for the measurements pcatterall
orion50 - I am shortening my Back Stays, the bottle screws are fully adjusted but the Back Stays are still a bit slack hence the Fore Stay is a bit slack. Tightening the Fore Stay is difficult with the Profurl furler and it would pull the mast too far forward.
KellysEye - I Googled cones but didn't think of trying pictures
orion50 - I am shortening my Back Stays, the bottle screws are fully adjusted but the Back Stays are still a bit slack hence the Fore Stay is a bit slack. Tightening the Fore Stay is difficult with the Profurl furler and it would pull the mast too far forward.
KellysEye - I Googled cones but didn't think of trying pictures
orion50
New member
That is the Sta-lok - the thingy is called a former
wklein
Member
Old norsemans
I would like to point out that norseman changed their design some years ago and if the norseman has a locking nut on it you will (almost) certainly not be able to find a cone for it. I presume the furling gear mentioned earlier was a furlex, and should definitely have a former, if it doesn't fit you have done something wrong (often they get stuck up in bottom end and you don't notice they are there and try to put in a second).
I would like to point out that norseman changed their design some years ago and if the norseman has a locking nut on it you will (almost) certainly not be able to find a cone for it. I presume the furling gear mentioned earlier was a furlex, and should definitely have a former, if it doesn't fit you have done something wrong (often they get stuck up in bottom end and you don't notice they are there and try to put in a second).
VicMallows
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I assume you are referring to my post. No it's a GOIOT from the early 80s when they were an independent company .... long before being bought by Plastimo.
Vic
