sunseeker portofino 46 or Camargue 50

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Ok I have started this thread as I don't want to hi jack simonjames thread reards p46 versus princess v50

If I manage to sell my boat I too am looking at buying a larger sports cruiser type boat with a budget of around 150-180k

I was also thinking of the Portofino 46 but I am being put off by comments on here from people who know a lot more than I do, SO my next question is what about a sunseeker Camargue 50 same lay out really as the portonfino 46 but tender garage instead of the hi low platform

Can the more knowledgeable people off here tell me the pro's and cons of buying the 50ft sunseeker over the 46 ft Portofino.

I know the 50 has the larger engines which could be either cats, man or Volvo engines depending on the boat so my first question is which would be the best engine choice

what will the fuel costs be like compared to a Portofino with tam 75 engines as the Camargue 50 is around 18,800kg compared to the Portofino being around 14,500kg

Is the Camargue 50 as good as a targa 52

What other boat should I consider that are within my price range, I would love a targa 47 but I cant stretch to that now

Please do not advise on ANY flybridge boats (rafiki) as I do not want another flybridge, sports cruisers only please
 
No I havn't ruled one out its just the wife saw one in Weymouth the other week and said it was too big, Huh I think its a psychological thing with it saying 52 on the side as I know the other boats are bigger than they say they are. What would the fuel figures be on boats this size
 
I have a Camargue 50 hard top so I might be biased, firstly in Sunseeker usual fashion she's well over 50ft, had mine for getting on six years which is an age for me and although I have looked around can't find anything in the price bracket that's is as good. Great hull, excellent in the rough, one of the last designed by Don Shead, although a largeish sports cruiser they handle like a sports boat.

On fuel consumption mine has 700hp Mans so not sure how these compare to the Volvos or Cats but cruising, 25knts, I burn 180ltrs an hour and she tops out at 33knts. A friend has a Portofino 47 which is basically the same below as the 46 and the 50 is quite a bit bigger topsides and below.

The garage is a good size, I used to have a 320 Avon jet rib in it, engine access all round is excellent and can't fault the build quality.

If you have any questions let me know and if you're in the Lymington area your more than welcome to come and have a nose.
 
The Sunseeker 50 Camargue has a fabulous hull, one of the best SS of the period better then the 56, and also 58/60 Predators, and much better to the 46 Portofino (no comparision really).

The only nugget is that in reality she is a 54 feet boat much larger to the 46 Portofino, but I personally think that you can really throw anything at it.

You will also find out that if you cruise at 26 knots the 50 Camargue drinks nearly the same per mile as a 46 Portofino with 2 x 480hp, plus you have.
The 50 Camargue has also a few advantages over the 44 - most important is the garage instead of up and down bathing platform (which usually give a bit of problems over time).

I had friends skipper 50 Camargue with Volvo D12 715hp max 37 knots light 36 loaded, Cats 669hp max 36 knots light, 35 knots loaded.
With D12s its consumption is 140 lph at 26 knots, AFAIR its the same with Cats.

Last note, if you can get the Hard top version as owned by Den100 which still looks awesome today.

I saw the data of Den100 and its possible that the Hard top version due to weight and wind drag is a couple of knots slower (I was told this by an Italian skipper once anyways).
 
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lanerboy said:
not thought about that boat and yes that looks a lot of boat for the money but I know nothing about cranchi or its quality compared to sunseeker, fairline, princess as not much mentioned on here about them
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Cranchi is good and same level where it matters, and if you can live with some plastic details, USA bolted style cleats, and decks made part of laminated teak and the other GRP.
The 50 Mediterranee has a good hull.
 
lanerboy said:
because the UK weather is poor and 90% of the time its too cold to sit on the flybridge in comfort but that's a whole different story after having a sport boat then switched to a fly now we want to go back to a sports boat it just suits us personally and YES I know others will disagree :)
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We are loving our Flybridge Shawn. Just spent 4 really great days on ours :D

However it is good that we are not all the same, and you want something different from your boating than us. No worries!
 
lanerboy said:
Remind me about that comment in 2 months time when your back stuck inside the saloon area for 5 months
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It is a very nice saloon Shawn, good visibility, comfortable and warm. If we get a bright sunny day, we will be back up the stairs, but wrapped up a bit. Wots not to like :D
 
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Nigelpickin said:
I dont need convincing. Just spent 7 weeks in southern Brittany on ours and not once wished we had a fly.
I'd love to see some stats on owners of flybridges versus others, I suspect that on average we are looking at some kind of short man syndrome in play....;)
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Isnt yours just a flybridge without the bridge bit? Unless I'm mistaken the 550 fly is identical in every way apart from a set of steps and more choices as to where to sit?
 
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