Street brutality in London

Both absolutely jaw-droppingly awful cases... but pretty much par for the course as far as this ferking' country has been going over the past 20 odd years or so.

If my family or friends were involved, and the persons responsible were identified, they wouldn't be getting away with a community service order and a facebook laugh about it all...
 
The reality is that it is not a modern phenomenon when I was a teenager some 50 years ago random stabbings in town centres at night were not uncommon. Probably gang based violence as much of the random stuff is.
 
So let's be clear here... did you just call me a cock?

But hey, looking at the figures you provided at your link it seems we are well on the way to crime free utopia. I was wrong, I apologise. We live in a world that I did not recognise before.
 
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Its shocking to say the least,ive seen it on a forum or two this evening so its going viral,hopefully this thug is apprehended.
It should be shared in the hope he is,bang it up in the lounge please for a proper reaction.
 
ralf2 said:
Its shocking to say the least,ive seen it on a forum or two this evening so its going viral,hopefully this thug is apprehended.
It should be shared in the hope he is,bang it up in the lounge please for a proper reaction.
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+1

And a very small aside - I hope I'm not taken for being ghoulish, but an annoying "Sky News" tag right over the incident happening.
I accept News companies etc., want to be recognised, but if the full action had been visible then someone may have seen and recognised the attacker's face or some recognisable badge, clothing or whatever.
 
The thing is that what is changing with time is that incidents like this and many other evil activities are being witnessed, filmed and publicised. This is having 2 effects 1. public perception is that things are getting worse; reinforced by sensationalist reporting and 2. it is becoming more difficult to get away with such behaviour.

Weather the criminality is institutionalised (such as past RC church treatment of vulnerable children) or not, the facts are that today one is more likely to be exposed and caught than in the past. It is probable that the RC Church indulged in its nefarious activities for centuries but cannot do so any more. In the past such violence as shown in the clip would not have been caught on camera, but it has and I'm sure the violent coward will be caught.

This is no reason for complacency, however, and where institutions fail (such as the police not responding appropriately) they must be held to account. If a crime is committed against you and you are unable to report it in a timely fashion you must complain, else how will they know that they are getting it wrong.
 
oldfatgit said:
The thing is that what is changing with time is that incidents like this and many other evil activities are being witnessed, filmed and publicised. This is having 2 effects 1. public perception is that things are getting worse; reinforced by sensationalist reporting and 2. it is becoming more difficult to get away with such behaviour.

Weather the criminality is institutionalised (such as past RC church treatment of vulnerable children) or not, the facts are that today one is more likely to be exposed and caught than in the past. It is probable that the RC Church indulged in its nefarious activities for centuries but cannot do so any more. In the past such violence as shown in the clip would not have been caught on camera, but it has and I'm sure the violent coward will be caught.

This is no reason for complacency, however, and where institutions fail (such as the police not responding appropriately) they must be held to account. If a crime is committed against you and you are unable to report it in a timely fashion you must complain, else how will they know that they are getting it wrong.
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+1
Well put.
 
oldfatgit said:
This is no reason for complacency, however, and where institutions fail (such as the police not responding appropriately) they must be held to account. If a crime is committed against you and you are unable to report it in a timely fashion you must complain, else how will they know that they are getting it wrong.
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Perhaps this may be a chance to show that elected Police Commissioners have a role to play. A deluge of mail after every such incident would alert them to what really concerns people.
 
Robert Wilson said:
+1

And a very small aside - I hope I'm not taken for being ghoulish, but an annoying "Sky News" tag right over the incident happening.
I accept News companies etc., want to be recognised, but if the full action had been visible then someone may have seen and recognised the attacker's face or some recognisable badge, clothing or whatever.
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This is the photo that has been released of the Twot............

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/21/article-2235811-16215559000005DC-554_634x522.jpg

Tom
 
maxi77 said:
The reality is that it is not a modern phenomenon when I was a teenager some 50 years ago random stabbings in town centres at night were not uncommon. Probably gang based violence as much of the random stuff is.
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Despite the above and being in London around the same time, I still look back and think it was great time and place to be in.

Though I have only returned once since then I am quite sure I will never return again. BTW there is a shhoting in Sydney on average every 2 and a half days at the moment, so it's not just a locl problem.

PS. I do not live even in the same stste as Sydney, thank heavens.

Good luck and fair winds.
 
Such behaviour is nothing particularly new

15 years ago our eldest son was randomly punched in the face by a yob as he got out of the car. No reason for it, none at all. Totally random

30 odd years ago, one of my work colleagues was slashed across the face with a razor blade for having the temerity to ask a yob to stop making obscene remarks to his girlfriend

As already suggested, back then there wasn't the CCTV network there is today nor did nearly everyone have the means to take pictures and record video in their pockets
 
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