ghostlymoron
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I have a 28' Mirage with furling genoa on the forestay. The mast has a babystay with a separate halyard. Would it be possible to rig my storm jib on the babystay?
Storm jib on babystay
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Aja
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Is the separate halyard actually a halyard - or (more likely) a spinnaker uphaul?
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EdWingfield
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I looked at that idea for my 10m Ben.
Not possible, too close to the main and babystay too short.
I've had to accept the prev owners idea of a smaller area jib in place of my genoa. In my case it is a W Centaur No 2 jib which I keep on the furling gear all winter.
Not possible, too close to the main and babystay too short.
I've had to accept the prev owners idea of a smaller area jib in place of my genoa. In my case it is a W Centaur No 2 jib which I keep on the furling gear all winter.
cpedw
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CPD
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On my centaur i have gone for a storm jib with wire luff with 2 sets of rollers that fits around the furled genoa.
William_H
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The baby stay as already said is too short , too low, and too close to the mast. Having said that it might be ok as the only sail in a really bad storm.
I don't have a roller jib and dislike them intensely however I seem to find myself sailing on other peoples boats who have them.
It seems to me that the average roller jib is too big. I think if I had one I would get another jib made about half the area of the original jib. I would then fit the smaller jib if there was a hint of strong winds on the trip.
The smaller jib could be used full sized to a stronger wind strength then rolled a little to give a smaller jib which hopefully still has some flatness to it.
Surely it can't be that difficult to change a jib on a foil. I do it often with hanked on in 'orrible conditions.
Of course I stand to be corrected. But I still reckon a big baggy jib rolled up with scrap sticking ou the back of the roll is npo jib at all.
olewill
I don't have a roller jib and dislike them intensely however I seem to find myself sailing on other peoples boats who have them.
It seems to me that the average roller jib is too big. I think if I had one I would get another jib made about half the area of the original jib. I would then fit the smaller jib if there was a hint of strong winds on the trip.
The smaller jib could be used full sized to a stronger wind strength then rolled a little to give a smaller jib which hopefully still has some flatness to it.
Surely it can't be that difficult to change a jib on a foil. I do it often with hanked on in 'orrible conditions.
Of course I stand to be corrected. But I still reckon a big baggy jib rolled up with scrap sticking ou the back of the roll is npo jib at all.
olewill
ghostlymoron
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Thanks for that - what is a spinnaker uphaul. My new boat also has a spinnaker and cruising chute but I have no idea how to use them.
CPD
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Carefully /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
CPD
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Sorry, couldnt resist. The spinnaker uphaul is attached to the pole used to pole out the spinnaker itself. There should be a downhaul too. I would suggest getting a few pairs of hands on board when you try either out. They are big sails and from recent personal experience, I would advise taking it very easily with either of them. I was recently cruising down the east coast with the cruising chute up and it was great, bobbing along, not a care in the world. From nowhere and very suddenly came a big blow, and complete havoc ensued.
Good luck !
Good luck !
AndrewB
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I have a 28' Mirage with furling genoa on the forestay. The mast has a babystay with a separate halyard. Would it be possible to rig my storm jib on the babystay?
[/ QUOTE ]That is what a babystay is for. It works a treat on my boat. The helm is balanced nicely with just a storm jib on the babystay, and in 35kts of wind I can either heave to or sail at anything between 75deg off the wind to a dead run at about 4kts. In a Mirage you might well find it is your most comfortable (if slowest) cruising option in winds above 25kts.
You don't normally tack under storm jib, and it should be sheeted fairly widely. Even so, it is best if the clew of the sail is ahead of the mast, or at least not much behind, otherwise it won't heave to properly.
Ideally you should have running backstays to offset the pull of the babystay. Otherwise, extended heavy weather may permanently bend the mast. But this isn't crucial for coastal cruising in a small yacht.
I have a 28' Mirage with furling genoa on the forestay. The mast has a babystay with a separate halyard. Would it be possible to rig my storm jib on the babystay?
[/ QUOTE ]That is what a babystay is for. It works a treat on my boat. The helm is balanced nicely with just a storm jib on the babystay, and in 35kts of wind I can either heave to or sail at anything between 75deg off the wind to a dead run at about 4kts. In a Mirage you might well find it is your most comfortable (if slowest) cruising option in winds above 25kts.
You don't normally tack under storm jib, and it should be sheeted fairly widely. Even so, it is best if the clew of the sail is ahead of the mast, or at least not much behind, otherwise it won't heave to properly.
Ideally you should have running backstays to offset the pull of the babystay. Otherwise, extended heavy weather may permanently bend the mast. But this isn't crucial for coastal cruising in a small yacht.
bbg
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Surely it can't be that difficult to change a jib on a foil.
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William,
most of your posts are insightful, but a comment like this really makes me wonder. Yes, it is much more difficult to change a jib that is on a foil, compared to one that is hanked on. Once it is down it is only attached at the tack and the clew (if the sheet is pulled tight). Sure, there is a halyard, but once the head of the luff is out of the foil the halyard doesn't help much.
Changing a jib on a foil is no problem for a big crew, but with a shorthanded crew and building wind, forget it. Better just to roll it up.
If you mean changing before you go out, it will be much easier (but still involves unfurling the sail at the dock/mooring).
Dislike them if you want. My preference, FWIW, would be a cutter rig, both on roller reefing.
As to the OP - as others have said, a babystay won't work. It is designed to support the mast, not to carry a sail. I'm not saying it is not physically strong enough, just inappopriate (too short, too close to the mast etc.).
Surely it can't be that difficult to change a jib on a foil.
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William,
most of your posts are insightful, but a comment like this really makes me wonder. Yes, it is much more difficult to change a jib that is on a foil, compared to one that is hanked on. Once it is down it is only attached at the tack and the clew (if the sheet is pulled tight). Sure, there is a halyard, but once the head of the luff is out of the foil the halyard doesn't help much.
Changing a jib on a foil is no problem for a big crew, but with a shorthanded crew and building wind, forget it. Better just to roll it up.
If you mean changing before you go out, it will be much easier (but still involves unfurling the sail at the dock/mooring).
Dislike them if you want. My preference, FWIW, would be a cutter rig, both on roller reefing.
As to the OP - as others have said, a babystay won't work. It is designed to support the mast, not to carry a sail. I'm not saying it is not physically strong enough, just inappopriate (too short, too close to the mast etc.).
chewi
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I keep a wire forestay below with a storm jib and spare sheets.
Attach the forestay between the mooring cleat and a spare halyard and winch it up hard.
Hank a storm sail onto that and hoist it with the Spinnaker halyard.
Dont use the halyard alone, it will chafe through.
Good for me in 42knots in a 25 foot sloop.
By the time this is needed it is far too late to consider unravelling a 150% genoa and thinking you can stow it, you'd be blown overboard with it if you could control it at all.
Attach the forestay between the mooring cleat and a spare halyard and winch it up hard.
Hank a storm sail onto that and hoist it with the Spinnaker halyard.
Dont use the halyard alone, it will chafe through.
Good for me in 42knots in a 25 foot sloop.
By the time this is needed it is far too late to consider unravelling a 150% genoa and thinking you can stow it, you'd be blown overboard with it if you could control it at all.